Funky Bobby J wrote:Actually, I pretty much agree with Jay to some degree. People do not pay that much attention to tee signs (even the super sexy ones I pump out for Rand at the AO). A 300 member organization has manpower - something a lot of courses need. If you could get 50 people at a park a couple of times per year plus the money the club raises, that is pretty powerful. It would be so cool to pitch conrete pads for Central or other area courses knowing the ADGO would help out with some with dough and knowing we could get substantial numbers on a work day. The ADGO could document what they did on the work day and send it to heads of P&R, county gov etc - that will go a heck of a lot further than 300 names on a piece of paper.
We play member events all around the city all the time in the form of doubles, tourneys, Ice Bowls, etc. However, if a net gain is realized from people renewing and selling merch, then great for the club. But, I am not real crazy about the club decreasing the coffers by running events and having tee signs at tournaments. We have so much that needs to be done.
Unlike my rotund red-haired amigo, I support the ADGO. I am not real crazy about the fact that the meetings are apparently not open to members, minutes are rarely posted, and what the limited funds are spent on. However, I do not think that we need to throw the baby out with the bath water. I know the volunteers are doing what they deem best and I appreciate their willingness to spend time doing what they can to organize this bunch of miscreants.
Bob, thanks for your support!
Just like with ERP, Fayetteville, etc. - If someone wants something done for their course with the ADGO help, you just have to start a thread or hold an Event and the people WILL TURN OUT! - and those things DO get noticed by parks departments.
The teepads work at White oak happened over 2 different occasions with just a few people working each time and the improvements are well received by the players that play there.
You know that myself alone will donate money and time to get teepads at Central, and I've been following along with you and Dave on trying to get them in. If Matt needs something on ADGO letterhead saying that we have 300+ people in the club that would love to see concrete pads at Central then let me know and I'll create one.
What Jay and others may be and most likely ARE missing is the fact that you can't just go to a park and say -"were going to come in here and redeisgn the course to make a National Tour level course - please step aside and let us do it" - as anyone that has read any of what the GDGO BOD has posted or anybody that has read about Lenora or Alexander can also testify it doesn't work that way. And that list above that Jay references has several hundred dollars of ADGO funded improvements, plus alot of my own personal money and other people on that list have put in alot of thier own personal money that are/have been on the ADGO BOD with the knowledge that having the people numbers makes a HUGE difference to parks department people. Don't you think I wouldn't love to have the ability to work with the parks depts like I did in Miami and Tucson and get courses installed?
Don't you think the GDGO would love to go in and say, we want this, we want that and it would magically be done? In this economy it is even HARDER than it was when we were in the good times as Parks are LOSING people and funding with every budget.
Jay - please separate your opinions of me personally from me as ADGO President and I'll ask you this -
Just as trial test - please call up the people at Rose Lane Park where you are hosting your Event and ask them to let you redesign the course so it can be a Championship caliber course ready to host National Tour Events before GA States in August and let me know what their response is.
I'll go out on a limb and tell you I'll personally write you a check for $1000 dollars if they say that they'll let you totally redsign the course from scratch to make one.
We all see lots of open parkland and say we should have Championship courses there, but so do soccer moms, and baseball dads, and basketball people etc. etc.
I don't know how many times it has to be said to be understood, but DISC GOLF does NOT put money into park fees as do the other sports, and it uses up WAAAY more land space (even for crappy courses), so when parks departments are kind enough to have disc golf courses in their parks, it doesn't mean that they care about the fact that the new disc technology causes their once decent disc golf course to need a redesign.
More likely than not, they'll put sheds, benches, picnic tables chained to the ground, walking paths, and other things in what is/was the nice discgolf fairways of your favorite disc golf courses. You cvan read threads all over this board about parks that have signs saying they are park space - but will sit there for aloooong time before anyone even moves 1 shovel of dirt on them.
I'm still waiting for the Roswell library that was supposed to be built from 2 years ago to go in, as maybe the trailers from hole 4 will be able to go when they are prepping the land to build the library.
ADGO renewal fees are only $10 and even with 100+ people renewing - if we didn't spend ONE DIME on anything and just let it build up it would take over 15 YEARS to have enough money to install 1 (ONE) Championship caliber discgolf course if the land was given to us and the labor was done by ADGO Members.
Minutes have been and are ALWAYS posted here:viewforum.php?f=1
- in the bottom of the minutes under other business is the ADGO BOD and MEMBER Meeting schedule for all of 2010 which was posted over a month ago .
We have asked at the MEMBER Events for feedback from members, we have a ADGO Members only section with forums for this exact stuff, so that it doesn't end up in the Event threads, and going forward in 2010 "due to member feedback" we are having Q&A with the BOD during the ADGO Member Event during Banquet Saturday night so anyone that has questions or ideas can be heard.
I enjoy seeing the enthusiam from everyone out there, but please be reasonable in your posts about things that you think the ADGO can do, and also try to appreciate what has already been done and is in the pipeline for getting done.
Thanks for your understanding and please keep commenting,