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12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:06 pm

I've heard rumors of the woods holes having to be changed, but I was surprised to find the 12d basked in the outside 12b spot (the normal 12b was in the inside spot). what was even more surprising was that the 12d short pin placement was dug out of the ground...

I'm sure this is part of some plan, but someone want to share? I don't know why we would have two baskets on 12b and none on 12d (I didn't walk over to the 12d long, but from a distance it didn't seem to be dug up...
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Re: 12d?

Postby downtownXXking » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:46 pm

it seems we are losing 12D to construction in the area by the rec center. I do not have all the info on this, however.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:09 pm

Intersting, that really sucks. Hopefully someone will post with the master plan!! I say we move 8 red tee to the left and put a basket down where the old BMX track used to be. That would be sweet as a new hole. Kinda have a lil White Oak number 6 flare to it. I bet we could fix 36 holes in at CP if the money was there.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:35 pm

If anyone that was there saw the red stakes, you'll see that 12D can NOT exist there anymore with the construction that will be begiining shortly.

Luckily that is the only hole being affected and the basket will be placed in a new location soon.

***12 C will probably go to a shorter spot, which is a straightaway shot from all 3 pads.
You will then go left where the mowed grass area is to a tee in the woods. 12 D will be played through the woods to where 12 C basket is now residing. Roughly 250 feet in length ***

This is what I think will happen based on conversations and the ease of getting the hole ready in a short time frame. There is also the ability to put 3 pads in the teeing area to keep all the holes with the red,white, and blue pads. I cut alot of the fairways vines and exotics down in the fairway in the pouring rain for 3 hours until my cutters snapped on a large vine.
I had also first cut a path thru to 13 E blue tee (which also gets to red and white tees) for a smooth transisition from 12C (now to become 12 D) until the new hole in finished, and I fixed the trench behind the basket so water flowed smoothly and towards the creek instead of piling up in the basket area, as well as made trenches at 12 E blue tee to let water flow behind there instead of piling up on the teeing area.

Be patient and it will be 27 holes again soon.

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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:31 pm

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Re: 12d?

Postby downtownXXking » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:44 pm

when things are finalized, let me know, and i'll make the tee-signs for the new holes. also, i am not opposed to making new signs for the whole course, which does have to happen, considering all of the changes we've made/are making.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:18 pm

What is wrong with the current open hole signs?? I am guessing the distances or what?
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Re: 12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:04 am

keith johnson wrote:Luckily that is the only hole being affected and the basket will be placed in a new location soon.
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Be patient and it will be 27 holes again soon.


Wow, thanks Keith. I think I followed all that, but an updated map (even just hand drawn) would help with confirmation.

I look forward to the new hole.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Dale H » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:27 am

Got this message from Dave Kenny this morning...
Hello, just a quick update on the construction of the new Rec Center at Central Park...

Construction is supposed to begin on Monday, 1/25... As a result, there is an impact to Hole 12-D in the woods... We will lose this hole during construction and perhaps for ever.
We have moved 12-D's basket to the alternate pin position on 12-B.... There are two baskets on 12-B... You can play to both pins and still play 27 holes...

We are evaluating options to add another hole during construction.. We'll keep you posted... Thanks

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Re: 12d?

Postby downtownXXking » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:33 am

Corndawg13 wrote:What is wrong with the current open hole signs?? I am guessing the distances or what?


we've made so many changes to the course since installation, such as new pin placements, distances and basket placement, and new trees, and such, are all wrong, and we have a bunch of changes planned. IMO, we need new signs, but we need to finish re-arranging the park, and raise new funds for tee-signs, along with the long list of new stuff we want :P
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:49 am

Sounds good to me! Let's get this club AS A WHOLE rolling and do this stuff. Planned work days, fundraiser tourney, sponsor packets for local businesses, and so on! This can be the year to make CP great and I want to help and I am not alone!
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Re: 12d?

Postby Funky Bobby J » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:47 am

Before we make new signs - we may consider reconfiguring 17 and remeasuring it. I think that the red's distance has been off for a while. I think that the blue tee will be a really poor hole once the trees get a few feet taller. Maybe consider making the current red the blue tee (move it back 10 to 15 feet) and put red on the other side of the walkin path close to where the whites are, and put whites straight ahead.

Bobby - the former BMX area would be great for an alternate pin on occassions, but putting the pin there really screws with the flow of the course getting to the next pad. We used to put a basket on the ledge at the southwest corner of the retention pond for golds or such. That worked pretty well. But out in the middle of the BMX area would make backtracking to the next tee or a long walk around the pond - neither a good option for course flow.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:27 pm

That is true, besides I grip locked a bad drive down in there last week and it is nothing but sloppy red clay anyway.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:54 pm

I sent this in red below to Dave a couple of minutes ago in response to a conversation we had yesterday.

I think with a couple of hours with 3-4 people the new 12D fairway and the 2 pin positions for the NEW C will be able to be worked out.

Do you want to schedule a workday for this SUNDAY Morning? - Saturday looks like rain/snow/mix.

I will be happy to finish the fairway, and will buy about 6 cypress trees to plant as blockers.
We can get this knocked out easily.

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Re: 12d?

Postby downtownXXking » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:00 pm

Funky Bobby J wrote:Before we make new signs - we may consider reconfiguring 17 and remeasuring it. I think that the red's distance has been off for a while. I think that the blue tee will be a really poor hole once the trees get a few feet taller. Maybe consider making the current red the blue tee (move it back 10 to 15 feet) and put red on the other side of the walkin path close to where the whites are, and put whites straight ahead.

Bobby - the former BMX area would be great for an alternate pin on occassions, but putting the pin there really screws with the flow of the course getting to the next pad. We used to put a basket on the ledge at the southwest corner of the retention pond for golds or such. That worked pretty well. But out in the middle of the BMX area would make backtracking to the next tee or a long walk around the pond - neither a good option for course flow.


of course, i want to get every change planned done - new pin placements, new trees, new holes, whatever. then measure the whole course, again, then make some signs. it would be nice if could leave the park be after that :P but yes. there is a lot to do. time to do it.
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Re: 12d?

Postby downtownXXking » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:00 pm

keith johnson wrote:I sent this in red below to Dave a couple of minutes ago in response to a conversation we had yesterday.

I think with a couple of hours with 3-4 people the new 12D fairway and the 2 pin positions for the NEW C will be able to be worked out.

Do you want to schedule a workday for this SUNDAY Morning? - Saturday looks like rain/snow/mix.

I will be happy to finish the fairway, and will buy about 6 cypress trees to plant as blockers.
We can get this knocked out easily.

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i should be down to help, i'll let you know tomorrow.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:38 pm

I can help but prefferably after 1.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:17 pm

The goal is to work on it in the morning so that it is hopefully ready to debut for the 1PM dubs - since this week is SAFARI week dubs.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:35 pm

I will be at Church at 11 but I can work until 10.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Dale H » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:56 pm

I will be there Sunday AM for work detail. Will bring cutters and weed wackers

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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:46 pm

9AM sound good? I'll be there a little before then

I'll be there then with Steel rake, new cutters, shovel, and trees which I hope we'll have approval to plant (Dave will find out this week).
I'll also have Concrete and mixing tray so we can put in the new C position if people are ok with it.

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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:11 pm

Sounds great to me!! 9AM it is!!
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:02 pm

I will be there at 830. I hope others come out as well!!
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:34 pm

Van is loaded, and I'll be LEAVING my house at 8:30 to get there by 9AM.

Thanks for comiong to help Bobby!
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:05 pm

Yeah no problem, as always, just let me know and I will try to show up. I am glad we are having a workday. I know this one is directed towards one area, but I hope that I can not only get a course put into Dawson County but also HELP make the FCDGC active.

I do not have any tools really, nor do I know what needs to be done, so if noone else is there at 830 I will just do some random work or putt around.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:06 pm

well I can bring my moms car and bring a steel rake and some cutters I reckon, she is out of town.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:14 pm

The work on 12C and 12D are now complete. Thanks Keith and Dale, great work!! 3 guys working for 4 hours and WHALA!! A new tight wooded tunnel shot hole for 12D and 12C is a straight shot from RED and uphill a tad!

Still some SMALL work to be done on the new hole so, not TECHNICALLY complete but playable and cleared for sure!
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Re: 12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:37 am

Excellent! (blame the 80's)

I can't wait to play the new hole. (probably saturday morning)
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:35 am

It is definitley going to be a tough hole. 12C is easier and a birdie oppurtunity now, but D is a very tight tunnel shot with a few trees in the fairway the closer you get to the basket. If I go out there today, I will bring my camera.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:50 am

12 C alt position sleeve is in the ground which takes away the easier birdie run for the other position and 12D alt position is also cleared and ready to use as soon as Dave Kenney gives the OK.

Thanks to DALE and BOBBY for thier help Sun Morning!

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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:54 am

12 D is tough as is. The long position will be crazy. 12 C will be better in the long position.

Who did the rest of the work for 12 C & D??
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:39 pm

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Re: 12d?

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Re: 12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:40 am

I couldn't wait until the weekend, so I played 6 holes last night until it got too dark to see.

the new 12c (short I assume) isn't a bad shot. I can see how the new 12d (short) could be hard if you drift into the brush, but I got an easy par with a cobra.

If it is going to be a permanent hole for a while then the 'stubble' should be cleared some day. A few hours with a hachet would get most of those stumps out of the ground and provide a smoother fairway. If you are going to work some saturday let me know. (I just can't work sundays)
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:50 am

yeah more work needs to be done. feel free to go out there anytime and clear crap out, eventually it will all die but yes it does need to be cleared.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:22 am

cliffwiggs wrote:I couldn't wait until the weekend, so I played 6 holes last night until it got too dark to see.

the new 12c (short I assume) isn't a bad shot. I can see how the new 12d (short) could be hard if you drift into the brush, but I got an easy par with a cobra.

If it is going to be a permanent hole for a while then the 'stubble' should be cleared some day. A few hours with a hachet would get most of those stumps out of the ground and provide a smoother fairway. If you are going to work some saturday let me know. (I just can't work sundays)



We're hoping the park can get in there with a bushhog and mow it, but for now it is what it is and will be trampled down by golfers and in a few months it will look totally different when the spring growth starts making it a little tougher.
The 12 C alt position and 12 D alt positions will definately make the holes tougher, but there is nothing wrong with having a duecable woods hole (12C short).

And what Bobby meant to say in his post was feel free to clean anything IN THE FAIRWAY ONLY - not the edges, as that will get trampled down and we do not want the fairways any wider or "local routes" to be created by taking out branches or trees that were left in strategic places.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:16 pm

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Re: 12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:40 am

I just wanted to clarify that by Stubble I was refering to all the 2inch high tree trucks that were left int he ground. I know the brush and scrub will get cleared out, but the remains of the little trees that were cut down will have to be cut or dug out.
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Re: 12d?

Postby keith johnson » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:24 am

Dale was working on getting a chainsaw to remove those, but if you have a way to get them out, be my guest.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:59 am

I was going to just rip them out but I am not on steroids.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Dale H » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:50 pm

I will try to get the "Stubble" which are technically Stumps out this week with chain saw...
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Re: 12d?

Postby cliffwiggs » Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:39 am

Dale H wrote:I will try to get the "Stubble" which are technically Stumps out this week with chain saw...
:) I usually don't refer to something that small in diameter as a stump, but technically yes it is.

Bobby, you can't pull them out by hand, but you can cut/chop the roots just below the surface and cover them up with dirt.

If its not to muddy/rainy to play this saturday, I will do a few.
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Re: 12d?

Postby Corndawg13 » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:51 am

I was YOKING Cliff. Turst me, after four hours in the SHULE cleansing, I know we need a chainsaw or bush-hog. I can go out Saturday morning.
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