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2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby djester » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:13 am

by Randgolf » Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:53 pm

We are proud to announce that the 2009 Atlanta Open will be part of the National Tour Series. The Dates will be March 28-29th 2009.

Sign up online now at http: http://www.theatlopen.com

Updated 3/16/09 to make the changes to 2 holes due to softball Event. Hole 1 to practice basket goes away, and 12 E Blue replaces it.

Jeff Gomez will be the TD for the A tier for Ams to run the same weekend. Thanks to Imran again for all of the hard work that he put in during the past two years! More to come so save questions for later or at least until Fright Flight is over.

This is a huge opportunity for Atlanta disc golf.

National Tour Atlanta Open will be held at ERP and Central. After much effort we have finalized these two courses to keep the AO running as originally planned. PRO NT field limited to 90 players. 65 spots will be reserved for MPO and FPO players. This means that all age protected divisions will share 25 spots, first come first serve. ONLINE REGISTRATION ONLY!!! Absolutley no favors or holding spots. If you want to play, pay your entry fee online. Since the age protected pro divisions are all playing the same tees same days as MPO all divisions are eligible to qualify for the USDGC. ONLY FIVE SPOTS WILL BE AWARDED TO THE BEST FIVE SCORES (AMs are not eligible for the USDGC spots unless they play PRO).

Sign up online now at http: http://www.eatsleepdisc.com

Sat March 28th 2009 ERP two rounds from the black tees (MPO, FPO, MPM, MPG)
Sun March 29th 2009 Central Park two rounds of "Super Sized" layout (MPO, FPO, MPM, MPG)


Entry fees:

MPO = $110 (Player limit 60)
FPO = $85 (Player limit 5)
MPM = $85 (player limit 20)
MPG = $85 (Player limit 5)


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AM Atier

Am Atier March 14-15th 2009 field limited to 72 players
(Jeff Gomez is the TD, so more to come on this soon. Please dont ask me questions about the Am weekend)
Nothing below is official until Gomez signs off...

Sat March 14th (East Roswell Park)

Round one : Blue Tees
Round two : Black Tees

Sun March 15th (East Roswell Park)

Round three : Blue Tees
Round four : Black Tees

Entry Fees:

MA1 = $65
MM1 = $65
MG1 = $65
MA2 = $55
FW1 = $45
FW2 = $35
Last edited by Randgolf on Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:28 pm, edited 3 times in total.


Great job guys.... I look forward to playing in my first Atlanta Open in '09.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Q Mayben » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:52 am

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Randgolf » Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:03 pm

http://www.pdga.com/tour-schedule

Get ready for some action! The Atlanta Open will be held on March 28-29th 2009. The courses will be ERP and Redan. Central did not work out as they have a little league tournament that same weekend and couldnt fit us in. Please dont bother emailing me or calling me about trying to make Central work, it is not going to happen. Getting a weekend to run a National Tour is no easy task (hence NATIONAL...many moving parts). Redan and ERP it is. Atlanta Open will be both a NT and an A tier for Ams the same weekend. Much more to come in the very near future.
If you would like to help out with this event please contact me via email and we can discuss your ideas/part on the team. WE NEED HELP!

In five years the Atlanta Open has grown to a National Tour. With this great honor comes a lot of work and expectation, not only on a local level but also a National one. Please help me and the rest of the tournament staff exceed Tour Guidlines; as well as, the expectations of traveling players. We need to raise a lot of money to pull this off. I am asking each one of you reading this post to help us generate sponsoship. Also, please share your ideas for marketing and advertising to the disc golf community / general public. Please post on this message board any ideas and or what you might be willing to contribute. Dont forget the official Atlanta Open site is www.theatlopen.com . This site will be updated with current information once we can get all of that together.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Clunck » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:20 pm

WOOO Hoooo, REDAN!!!!!!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby solstice_disc_sports » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:15 pm

Sorry to be a Buzzz Killer but, I don't think Redan can handle an "NT" caliber event crowd. There are no bathrooms, not enough parking for players much less spectators. :roll:

Does this mean the field will be limited to 90 for the "NT"?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Can't Hit Open Putts » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:33 pm

Ther are two more parking lots on the property and bathrooms by the baseball fields. My concern is that they are building that senior center and how that construction will impact the course. What it the timetable for contruction? Does it conflict with the NT?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Clunck » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:10 am

Two words.... Carpool and port-a-potty!!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby djester » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:27 pm

there's plenty of room to park in the field next to the lot at Redan.....
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby VERMIN » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:29 pm

I think the bigger question is - can this tourney be played and not have an effect on Sunday Dubs?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby Clunck » Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:06 pm

VERMIN wrote:I think the bigger question is - can this tourney be played and not have an effect on Sunday Dubs?

Don't worry Vern, it's a Sat. only NT event. They want to keep Gomez out.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour 28-29 March 09

Postby Clunck » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:57 pm

Not saying anything bad about shule, I mean ERP.
Perkerson and Redan would be the absolute bomb. It would go a long way in the course becoming permanent. Plus it's closer between the too. And folks could stay in Atlanta and that could be use to raise sponsorship. But I'm not sure if an NT can be on a temp course???

And once permanent I could finally buy a house a Perk.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour 28-29 March 09

Postby Wookie » Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:38 pm

Isn't the course supposed to be in "tournament set-up" like 2 weeks before the event on those big tourney's? Just asking...Perk and Redan would be fantastic.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour 28-29 March 09

Postby mrpbody33 » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:15 pm

Isn't the course supposed to be in "tournament set-up" like 2 weeks before the event on those big tourney's? Just asking...Perk and Redan would be fantastic.


While I do agree that having a tournament between Redan & Perkerson is a great idea it won't be The Atlanta Open. A course should be set up in tournament set-up several days before the actual event. There isn't a mandatory number of days for an NT or A-tier event. It is a good idea for a temp course that stakes be driven into the ground where pins are to be place and tee boxes clearly marked before the event so players can practice.

I think tournament between Redan & Perk would be great for a mid-summer kind of event (since there is a lot of tree cover to keep sun off peoples shoulders).
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour 28-29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:04 pm

National Tour Atlanta Open will be held at ERP and Central. After much effort we have finalized these two courses to keep the AO running as originally planned. PRO NT field limited to 90 players. 65 spots will be reserved for MPO and FPO players. This means that all age protected divisions will share 25 spots, first come first serve. ONLINE REGISTRATION ONLY!!! Absolutley no favors or holding spots. If you want to play, pay your entry fee online. Since the age protected pro divisions are all playing the same tees same days as MPO all divisions are eligible to qualify for the USDGC. ONLY FIVE SPOTS WILL BE AWARDED TO THE BEST FIVE SCORES (AMs are not eligible for the USDGC spots unless they play PRO).

Sign up online now at http://www.eatsleepdisc.com

Sat March 28th 2009 ERP two rounds from the black tees (MPO, FPO, MPM, MPG)

Sun March 29th 2009 Central Park two rounds of "Super Sized" layout (MPO, FPO, MPM, MPG)


Entry fees:

MPO = $110 (Player limit 60)
FPO = $85 (Player limit 5)
MPM = $85 (player limit 20)
MPG = $85 (Player limit 5)


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AM Atier

Am Atier March 14-15th 2009 field limited to 72 players
(Jeff Gomez is the TD, so more to come on this soon. Please dont ask me questions about the Am weekend)
Nothing below is official until Gomez signs off...

Sat March 14th (East Roswell Park)

Round one : Blue Tees
Round two : Black Tees

Sun March 15th (East Roswell Park)

Round three : Blue Tees
Round four : Black Tees

Entry Fees:

MA1 = $65
MM1 = $65
MG1 = $65
MA2 = $55
FW1 = $45
FW2 = $35
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour 28-29 March 09

Postby matlack » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:52 pm

I'm in. I think this might be the earliest I have ever paid in for an event.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:54 pm

The Atlanta Open has landed a title sponsor for the 2009 National Tour Event.

RE/MAX has not only agreed to support us this year but they also would like to grow with us into the future. Much thanks to our title sponsor and we look forward to another Atlanta Open presented by RE/MAX.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby BP » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:58 pm

Great job Rand!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:54 am

Four different sates are already preregistered in the NT.... Dont get shut out of a National Tour in your home state.

Only 36 hole sponsorships will be available for the NT. Help us make this event all it can be by sponsoring a hole now. Thanks for coming behind this event.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby maximus » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:38 am

Knowing that there will probably be a few big names at this event, any chance there will be a "tutorial" of sorts from one or two of those people, like the Augusta Classic had last year? I heard that there were some very good things that were said or demonstrated (by Feldberg and Hosfeld) about varying techniques and other aspects of your throw that even some advanced golfers found could help them improve their game.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:52 pm

Great idea! I will contact some of the player's as they sign up and see if we cant nail down a time for that.

Five registered players today. Dont drag your feet getting into this one.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:10 am

We need some hole sponsors for the AO. PLEASE contact me to support this hometown National Tour. Thanks to those of you that want to help make this event what it has the potential to be. Hole sponsorship is $50. I already have the discs if you would like to sponsor a hole and pick yours up today.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour A-Tier 28/29 March 09

Postby Randgolf » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:39 pm

NT Players list is shaping up nicely !

We need a few more hole sponsors. Please consider supporting the biggest event in Atlanta history. We / I also need some support. If you are willing to help out please contact me.

Thanks,

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:27 pm

Would you believe that more players from out of state have signed up for the Open division than players from GA :roll: 12 different states are already represented in the Open division alone, this many out of only 21 players. It is pretty safe to say that some local hommies will not be getting in to a home town National Tour. Holding spots is not an option. Online registration only, even if youre Obama.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby mr.disc » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:41 pm

wookie you are correct.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Tim Keith » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:26 am

Where's all the masters?
Woody, Moose, Brad, you guys gonna play?
also woody, you got that DVD for me :wink:

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby keith johnson » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:21 am

Tim Keith wrote:Where's all the masters?
Woody, Moose, Brad, you guys gonna play?
also woody, you got that DVD for me :wink:

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Limited to 15 this year, and once I signed up everyone else figured there was no point in trying to compete. :lol:

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Funky Bobby J » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:40 am

Actually, it's the headphones - there is only so much Neil Diamond and Pat Boone that we can take bleeding out from you iPod...
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Tim Keith » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:25 pm

I don't understand why you would limit it to 15, what if you don't get enough open players to fill it up?
plus you have 2 courses, and it's an NT event!

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby grease » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:27 pm

TK,
Even though it is two venues, they weren't able to get Central for Sat. AND Sun.
thus limiting the field.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:09 pm

http://www.solsticediscsports.com/atlantaopen

Check out the news letter Chris put together.

Brad is in and he is playing Open. Moose just signed up as a Master. Not being able to use Central on Sat has put serious strain on the field we could have had. 65 spots are being held for MPO and FPO first come first serve. Those spots will fill fast. That leaves 25 spots fro MPM and MPG first come first serve. We had to run with what we could get.

Currently, there are only 37 spots left until the Atlanta Open National Tour is full.

10 spots left for either MPM or MPG
27 spots remain for either MPO or FPO
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:49 am

Only five spots remain until the Age protected divisions are full. If you were thinking about playing now is the time to sign up. I am getting several registraions a day, so dont drag your feet or you will be watching from the fairway.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:47 am

Make that four spots left for age protected divisions.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:30 pm

Three spots left for MPM
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:41 am

Two spots left until age protected divisions are filled for the AO NT. I am certain they will be gone by this afternoon.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:45 am

The age protected divisions for the AO National Tour have been filled. If you want to get on a wait list let me know and I will start it here.

Only 17 spots remain for MPO and FPO (first come first serve) until the tournament is FULL. Sign up now or you will not get to play.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Q Mayben » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:05 pm

Is there a hole by hole for central listed any where?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:53 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Tim Keith » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:16 pm

I heard Central is going to have a different layout this year, is this true?
And when will it be set up for practice, hopfully not Fri afternoon like last year :shock:

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:25 pm

The park makes the call on that one not me or us. Keith is working on the layout when he gets it together he will post it here most likely. we hope to have the baskets set a week out as the PDGA suggests.

Oh yeah, the MPM and MPG divisions are FULL and only 15 spots remain in MPO or FPO first come first serve.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby keith johnson » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:40 pm

Tim Keith wrote:I heard Central is going to have a different layout this year, is this true?
And when will it be set up for practice, hopfully not Fri afternoon like last year :shock:

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The layout will be different as last year only used 11 of the Supersized holes, due to the ams also playing there.
The TRUE supersized layout we used in the Georgia USDGC Qualifier and the GSSS Event at Central in 2008 can NEVER be used totally again thanks to a Disc golfer who yelled at a park patron who was connected to park management.
So that leaves us with Supersized Junior, which will be a Par 61 Course that will challenge everyone. The best score from anyone(including several 990+ golfers) playing the layout at the GSSS Event was only 56 - I expect that the top score with all the World Champs arriving will be around 52-54, and I'll put a $100 bounty on a score in the 40's and if the wind is at least 15 MPH steady, I'll make it $300

I'll post the hole by hole descriptions here later this evening when the family is asleep.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Tim Keith » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:42 pm

Cool, thanks keith and rand for all the hard work.
Can't wait for this one!

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:05 am

The NT will be filled by tomorrow. Where are Brett, McMillion, Woody, Jay Phillips, etc... Looks like a lot of locals will be spectators. Thats cool too though.

Only 12 spots remain for MPO or FPO first come first serve.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:21 pm

11 spots left
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Woodrow » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:26 pm

Randgolf wrote:The NT will be filled by tomorrow. Where are Brett, McMillion, Woody, Jay Phillips, etc... Looks like a lot of locals will be spectators. Thats cool too though.

Only 12 spots remain for MPO or FPO first come first serve.
Well, I'm not qualified for FPO and if you think I want to donate my 'Ain't had a job since November' money to MPO, you're wrong. Perhaps if there wasn't a cap on MPM or MPG, I'd be willing to put up my stake. I'm just sayin'.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Redan Randy » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:57 pm

I'm looking more forward to spectating this one then playing the other tourneys this year! Way to go Rand!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby solstice_disc_sports » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:45 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby matlack » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:51 pm

I hate to be the one to say it Woody, but all the info has been up for months. Its not like it came out of no where. Rands worked his tail off to make this happen. Quite honestly i don't think anyone needs to complain about the amount of spots. It is what it is, we've all know for months. Keep up the good work Rand.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby richardhead » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:12 pm

I would love to play, but I've been forbidden to ever step foot on Central Park again. Prop's on the great action Rand. I know those touring pro's will be pleasently surprised.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Funky Bobby J » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:24 pm

richardhead wrote:I would love to play, but I've been forbidden to ever step foot on Central Park again. Prop's on the great action Rand. I know those touring pro's will be pleasently surprised.


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Woodrow » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:36 pm

matlack wrote:I hate to be the one to say it Woody, but all the info has been up for months.

And your point is? I'm not complaining, I'm just sayin'.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby grease » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:42 pm

We're gonna miss you Woody. I'm donating as well, but that Master's group should be
a lot of fun.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Tim Keith » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:48 am

Hey woody, you can still make that DVD for me and bring it out :D

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:14 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby mr.disc » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:52 pm

Woody + Woodrow = Woodblow. just sayin.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:13 pm

Wait list

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Redan Randy » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:21 pm

That's a pretty talented waitlist!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:38 pm

If any of yall were thinking about getting a hotel room for the AO (either weekend), please book a room with the tournament hotel. You can get the discounted rate of $64 a night here: www.theatlopen.com

Supporting the Hampton Inn and Suites Alpharetta will help better the event. Please consider booking a room with them.

Thanks,

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By the way, the Player's party and fly mart for the NT will be held on sight at this hotel...
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:57 pm

The National Tour is FULL

Wait list will continue to grow. I wish we could have pulled off Central for both days. Maybe next time.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Big Red » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:04 pm

Is there going to be a pro clinic? If so when are you expecting that will occur?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:50 pm

There will be a pro clinic at Central Park by the gym on Friday the 27th around 3pm. The PDGA is providing three or four touring Pros of their choice to conduct a well rounded clinic which will include putting, approaching, and driving.

More to come on this soon.

Book a room at the hotel if you havent already. Hampton Inn and Suites Alpharetta. Mention the Atlanta Open to lock in the discounted rate of $64 a night. The player's party will be held at the hotel on Sat night from 7-10. Vendors will be set up selling the latest and greatest of your disc golf needs. We are also going to have a silent auction, so bring money to bid on some great stuff. If you have anything that you would like to donate for the auction please bring it to the tournament. All proceeds go back into the tournament.

Block your calendars off to come watch some of the best disc golf to hit Atlanta.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Wookie » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:46 pm

The memorial plaque that was installed on Hole 1 at ERP today.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:12 pm

WOW! That looks great
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:18 pm

Wait list

Open

1. Paul McBeth
2. Craig Dye
3. Brett Roseau
4. Dave Greenwell
5. Craig Hagel
6. Joe Thacker
7. Brian Pickens
8. Josh Childs
9. Karl Johan Nybo (Denmark)
10 Matt Pekham
11 Jeff Riley
12 Jeff Bennett
13 Paul Ulibarri
14 Cody Britain
15 Nikko Lacastro

Age Protected Div

1. Kelly Leggett
2. Brett Roseau
3. Dave Greenwell
4. Joe Thacker
5. Greg from Alaska
6. Alan Beaver
7. ???
8. Dr Rick
9. Nashville Grand Master, post name later
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:49 pm

Kelly Leggett. Does anyone have contact info on him?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:48 pm

Can anyone put up the PDGA photographer on Sat night? read below

Rand
John Whinery #2957 here, I'm helping as photo editor for the new DiscGolfer and may come down to photograph the NT event.
I might need a place to stay Saturday evening. Do you know someone who could hook me up with a bed & shower?

Please contact me at photos@pdga.com. If I can't make the trip I hope you can get me in touch with a reliable photographer so we can make plans.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby djester » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:56 pm

Randgolf wrote:Kelly Leggett. Does anyone have contact info on him?



Ritger has his contact info
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:30 pm

I found Kelly's info. Thanks
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:18 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby mr.disc » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:19 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:18 am

As we get closer to the NT I have thought about several options to add more players. After much cosideration and input from other respected sources the field is set at 90 players. There will be no additional holes added to either layout. Thanks for comin'
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:27 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:05 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby grease » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:41 pm

I decided that for the NT Fly Mart, I will be bringing only my entire private stash. I will not be bringing
any stock discs. Some will be for sale and some will not. I will not have prices on anything and
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have seen the private stash will tell you that it will be way worth your time to check it out. I have
way too much plastic and need to get rid of some. Cash only, no checks. HINT-Bring lots of cash.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Wookie » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:02 am

Oh Snap!!! :mrgreen:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Randgolf » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:22 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby Wookie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:31 pm

just playing where the PDGA says I should be... :twisted:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby keith johnson » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:01 pm

Updated 3/16/09 to make the changes to 2 holes due to softball Event. Hole 1 to practice basket goes away, and 12 E Blue replaces it.

HOLE BY HOLE DESCRIPTIONS “SUPERSIZED JR” CENTRAL PARK (PAR 61)
TWO METER RULE IS IN EFFECT

Hole 1 650 ft Par 4
Hole 1 Red tee to #2 basket (long position)
Beyond string on right is OB. Road and beyond (grass/edge concrete) is O.B.
MANDO!!! Right of marked light pole. Drop zone is original #2 Blue tee.
To next tee turn right, follow bike trail across bridge then to the left to #3 blue tee

Hole 2 (original 3) 325 ft Par 3
Blue tee to basket straight ahead and slightly to the right
To next tee turn left towards tree line, cross bike trail to #4 blue tee

Hole 3 (original 4) 350 ft Par 3
Blue tee to basket ahead and slightly left
To next tee turn left follow trail back across bridge, then turn right to #5 blue tee

Hole 4 (original 5) 480 ft Par 3
Blue tee to basket in long placement
MANDO!!! Right of the marked fence pole. Drop zone is #5 Red tee.
Inside fenced area / string line is O.B.
To next tee turn right and back towards tree line to #6 blue tee

Hole 5 (original 6) 500 ft Par 4
Blue tee to basket across creek
Surrounded by water is O.B. Disc on top of bridge is I.B.
To next tee cross bridge towards path to #7 red tee

Hole 6 (original 7) 350 ft Par 3
Red tee to basket on top of hill.
Outside of string line is O.B.
To next tee turn right towards the trees to #8 blue tee

Hole 7 (original 8 ) 425 ft Par 3
Blue tee to basket near fence
Inside / under fenced area is O.B.
To next tee go straight ahead 60 feet to #9 blue tee

Hole 8 730 ft Par 4
Original 9 Blue tee to #10 Basket (right position)
Path and beyond O.B. Inside fence / string line is O.B.
To next tee turn slightly right towards trees to original #11 blue tee

Hole 9 660 ft Par 4
Original 11 Blue tee to #12 basket.
Beyond string line is O.B. IF O.B. on the DRIVE ONLY - on the right side, or across path on left side of fairway,
you must go to the drop zone (original 12 BLUE TEE) NO re-tee or playing where last I.B.
Path and beyond is O.B. beyond silt fence IS NOT O.B.
To next tee turn left and back up the hill to asphalt path to 12A Red tee

Hole 10 625 ft Par 4
(Original 12A) Red tee to 12B basket outside of woods
Surrounded by water in creek that crosses fairway is O.B.
To next tee turn left to #12C blue tee

Hole 11 425 ft Par 3
(Original 12C) Blue tee to short pin position
To next tee head towards gym to tee flags at opening of field.

Hole 12 340 ft Par 3
Tee from flags to a temp basket on the slope.
Beyond string line on left is O.B.
To next tee continue up the slope to a tee 200 ft beyond basket

Hole 13 645 ft Par 4
Tees from flags on hill top to Original 12D basket
In road is O.B. (grass/edge concrete-including storm drain)
Beyond string line on left is O.B. Beyond fence is O.B. Circular grass area is I.B.
To next tee go down steps into woods, turn left to 12E Blue tee

Hole 14 (Original 12E) 325 ft Par 3
Tees from Blue tee to pin ahead in long position.
Inside / under fenced area is OB. Surrounded by water in creek is OB.
To next tee, follow arrows to cross at bridge, turn left and follow arrows to Red tee for (Original 12 I)

Hole 15 286 ft Par 3
(Original 12I) Red tee to basket straight ahead and slightly left.
Surrounded by water in creek is OB.
To next tee straight ahead along tree line, to original 13 blue tee

Hole 16 740 ft Par 4
(Original 13) Blue tee to #14 basket on side of hill
Inside / Under fenced area is O.B. Surrounded by water is O.B.
To next tee turn back and left to original 15 red tee

Hole 17 275 ft Par 3
(Original 15) Red tee to short pin position.
MANDO!!! Right of big tree, Drop Zone is white tee.
To next tee turn back to original 17 blue tee

Hole 18 400 ft Par 3
(Original 17) Blue tee to basket straight ahead on flat ground
To next tee, walk between ball fields and playground into parking lot area.
Continue up the crosswalks past the last row of the parking lot to Red #1tee on the other side of the road from the practice basket.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby keith johnson » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:27 pm

I had to change the text for the programs to be printed for the PROS, some of who are arriving this week to practice, so not really - no slight meant to the ams, who should have had their own thread to begin with.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby VERMIN » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:26 am

keith johnson wrote:I had to change the text for the programs to be printed for the PROS, some of who are arriving this week to practice, so not really - no slight meant to the ams, who should have had their own thread to begin with.


So - it sounds like the whole Pro NT thing is still going to happen. I thought we were going to cancel it and have another AM event. AM's are so much cooler. Not as fun or impressive to watch, just much cooler.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open PDGA National Tour March 28-29

Postby downtownXXking » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:14 pm

hey keith, just a heads up. i got the tee sign covers laminated today. they look pretty sweet.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby keith johnson » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:13 pm

Thanks Nathan!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby djester » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:16 pm

how did my post become the main topic post??


weird stuff.... :?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:43 pm

djester wrote:how did my post become the main topic post??


weird stuff.... :?

Because when I split off the AM stuff, your post was the first post - I put Rand's post inside yours to still have the main info be in the first post.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Redan Randy » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:59 pm

keith johnson wrote:
djester wrote:how did my post become the main topic post??


weird stuff.... :?

Because when I split off the AM stuff, your post was the first post - I put Rand's post inside yours to still have the main info be in the first post.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:13 pm

You are NOT a wordsmith - Censorship would be changing or deleting something - Moving something to where it really belongs is called making it right.

Am stuff did not belong in this thread to begin with as it was not about the Am Event - is has always been titled the NATional tour thread with the National tour dates.

Gomez should have started a thread for the Atlanta Open A-tier in the beginning instead of just "checking or slamming" posts inside a thread that had nothing to do with the A-Tier he was the TD of.

Since others are looking to this thread for info on the National Tour at this time it made sense to split it off.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:51 am

It's easier to split a Discussion Thread than the Atom... Nice Job! Looking forward to watching people throw frisbee's who are much better at it than myself.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby djester » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:16 am

keith johnson wrote:
djester wrote:how did my post become the main topic post??


weird stuff.... :?

Because when I split off the AM stuff, your post was the first post - I put Rand's post inside yours to still have the main info be in the first post.


Wow!!.. I feel like a pro caliber player now! :oops:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Redan Randy » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:44 pm

keith johnson wrote:You are NOT a wordsmith
But i AM a wordwizard! And my crystal balls say......CENSORSHIP!! :lol:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event

Postby downtownXXking » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:31 pm

keith johnson wrote:Thanks Nathan!


no problem, keith.

right now i'm cutting out the laminated pin number covers. i think the best way of stickin' them on is getting those adhesive foam squares by 3m. what do ya'll think?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby i2rt » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:44 pm

Rand,
When you get some time can you update the waiting list?
I know I seen several names change on the registration.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:21 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Tim Keith » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:28 pm

how did paul ulibarri jump so many people to get in, that don't seem fair to the ones ahead of him. i'm just sayin?

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:56 am

A mistake on my part before the player's list was started.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby downtownXXking » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:10 pm

for the friday dubs, is it for people just in the open, or can non participants play?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:49 pm

Open

1. Ryan Pickens
2. Josh Childs
3. Matt Pekham
4. Jeff Riley
5. Geoff Bennett
6. Craig Leyva
7. Cody Britain
8. Nikko Lacastro
9. Hunter Hakanson
10 Phil Arthur
11 Kris Zahm
12 James Blanchard

Age Protected Div

1. Greg from Alaska
2. Pete Johnson
3. Alan Beaver
4. Dr. Rick
5. Nashville Grand Master, post name
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby summervillediscman » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:31 pm

I'm in need of help here. What will be going on Friday? Due ot my work schedule (and living in NW GA), I won't be able to see any of the tournament so I thought I'd come over on Friday. Could someone help me out?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby downtownXXking » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:33 pm

downtownXXking wrote:for the friday dubs, is it for people just in the open, or can non participants play?


or is there dubs on friday? i dunno :P
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:45 pm

Sorry guys. All of the information for the AO can be found here: www.theatlopen.com

National tour clinic on Friday from 4-6 at Central Park. Climo, McCoy, Peavey, Leviska

Doubles open to whoever $25 entry one division at Central from 4-7.

Mini disc golf tournament from 12- 4 Friday at Central $3 for 9 each holes scored.

For more info see the AO website.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby noputtinsavage » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:12 am

I just talked to Matt Peckham and you can pull him off the waiting list, he cannot make it to the event.

Random or pick your partner doubles?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Wookie » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:53 am

The Open website says Dubs are 20 and Rand is saying 25, anyone know which it is? I am assuming the TD is correct and not the website?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:36 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:39 pm

The Open website says Dubs are 20 and Rand is saying 25, anyone know which it is? I am assuming the TD is correct and not the website?

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Corndawg13 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:23 pm

My friend and I played the Atlanta Open Pro layout at Central Park that is listed on this thread today. It is tough and long. We have only been playing since December of 2008. I shot 15 over par and he was 16 over par. Not too bad for noobies!!! Good luck to everyone playing in the event this weekend. I'll be watching at CP Sunday morning before church for about an hour. Maybe a local will place well!!!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:27 am

http://theatlopen.com/schedule/


Check in is MANDOTORY in order to get into the tournament. THE DEADLINE TO CHECK IN IS 9AM Sat. You can check in Friday all day or wait until the last min (which seems to be the preferred method for some). You can also find me at the Hampton Inn in Alpharetta to check in on Friday night. Repeat, 9 am Saturday March 28th 2009 will be the deadline to check in to the Atlanta Open. Upon check in you will receive a players pack and confirmation into the event.

For those on the wait list. If anyone fails to show up or check in by 9am Sat, I will begin to sign people up from the wait list. I will enter a player(s) in the order that they were placed on the wait list as long as they are standing at tournament central at 9am sharp. See current wait list in above post.

Please make sure you let everyone know, so that no one is caught off guard. Lots of players dont read message boards, so help spread the word to those signed up.


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby solstice_disc_sports » Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:35 pm

FYI Players,

GATEWAY VOODOO - NOT PDGA LEGAL.......yet.

http://www.pdga.com/tech-standards-alert

Apparently, Gateway Voodoo putters have not been approved for competition despite the stamp and mold reading 'PDGA approved'. TD's should now be on the lookout.

I wonder how many people have used these in sanctioned play already this year?

Wow.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:43 pm

Open

1. Josh Childs
2. Matt Pekham
3. Jeff Riley
4. Geoff Bennett
5. Craig Leyva
6. Cody Britain
7. Nikko Lacastro
8. Hunter Hakanson
9. Phil Arthur
10 Kris Zahm
11 James Blanchard

Age Protected Div

1. Pete Johnson
2. Alan Beaver
3. Dr. Rick
4. Nashville Grand Master, post name
5. Woodrow
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Splash_4 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:00 am

Randgolf wrote:Sorry guys. All of the information for the AO can be found here: http://www.theatlopen.com

National tour clinic on Friday from 4-6 at Central Park. Climo, McCoy, Peavey, Leviska

Doubles open to whoever $25 entry one division at Central from 4-7.

Mini disc golf tournament from 12- 4 Friday at Central $3 for 9 each holes scored.

For more info see the AO website.


Is this still on regardless of the weather?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:12 am

Splash_4 wrote:
Randgolf wrote:Sorry guys. All of the information for the AO can be found here: http://www.theatlopen.com

National tour clinic on Friday from 4-6 at Central Park. Climo, McCoy, Peavey, Leviska

Doubles open to whoever $25 entry one division at Central from 4-7.

Mini disc golf tournament from 12- 4 Friday at Central $3 for 9 each holes scored.

For more info see the AO website.


Is this still on regardless of the weather?


Just what I was going to ask.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby BP » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:46 am

Looks like the AO site got "hit".

Anyone recall the host hotel???
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Funky Bobby J » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:02 pm

Hampton Inn off Windward
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:14 pm

Hampton Inn and Suites,
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:08 pm

BP wrote:Looks like the AO site got "hit".


Site was hit yesterday but is fine now. Waiting for Google to do a review of the site and remove the warnings. Stupid malware.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby matlack » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:06 pm

Any updates on the AO waitlist.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Woodrow » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:10 pm

Yeah, at 9am.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Brian Lang » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:44 pm

It seems that the Twitter account was suspended. Will another account be created?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:10 am

Open

1. Geoff Bennett
2. Craig Leyva
3. Cody Britain
4. Nikko Lacastro
5. Hunter Hakanson
6. Phil Arthur
7. Kris Zahm
8. James Blanchard

Age Protected Div

1. Pete Johnson
2. Alan Beaver
3. Dr. Rick
4. Nashville Grand Master, post name
5. Woodrow
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby kade.erp » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:36 am

Looking for my rain gear to head to a rained out AO in the morning has me scratching my head.

Possibly Left @ AO am weekend: Ching Umbrella & Timberland Jacket
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:27 am

Brian Lang wrote:It seems that the Twitter account was suspended. Will another account be created?

Twitter account was reactivated late last night.

Make sure to go to either the Atlanta Open Twitter page and/or Atlanta Open website to get all the live scoring, pictures, and tournament updates!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Jay » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:48 pm

Well, after the first hole or two, we had a suspension in play due to lightening. Players resumed the round at 11:45 and have played 11 holes.

Scores will be uploaded immediately after each round once they have been verified!

3rd round tee off at central park Sunday at 9am.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby JPZ » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:08 pm

What was the deal on the video I watched saying that CP will not be used?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:38 pm

Great job under stress Rand!

I unfortunately didn't fare as well. :roll:

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First round pix posted to Flickr

Postby 12StonesScott » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:31 pm

I've posted (without doing much culling or editing) the pix I took Saturday at ERP on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottwalke ... 975503383/

Right now, there's a batch of a couple hundred there, but the biggest part of them (another 900 or so) are being uploaded right now and taking quite a while about it. So there'll be more there if you check tomorrow or later.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 am

I wish to apologize to my cardmates in the 4th round -
Mikey Kernan, Greg Campbell, Larry Bledsoe and Matthew Pratt for my actions during the round, as I had somethings happen to me after I left the silent auction Saturday night at 11:30 with Lorelei and I blocked it out during the 3rd round for the most part, but was reminded about it again during lunch and could not block it out during the round and despite the guys trying to keep me cheered up and in disc golf mode, I FAILED to keep my head, and wish to profusely apologize, as I have tried EXTREMELY hard to improve my attitude ON THE COURSE during rounds since October 5th when I went caffiene free during the rounds.

I'm again sorry, and I hope to make it up to them in future rounds.

Good job Rand, and thanks to all the players for coming from all across the country!

Sincerely,
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I also posted this nationaly on the PDGA ATL OPEN thread.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:22 am

I can't wait to see the Pro's this coming weekend at the AO. Looking forward to it!!!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:55 pm

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Imran » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:46 pm

courtesy violation!
...shut up!

oooh, courtesy x 2!
...shut up, shut up!

oooh, courtesy x 3!!!
...dude, if you hit me with another courtesy violation again, I swear I will take this two liter of Pepsi and stick it up your....

...foot fault?


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damn..., that is one fine piece of plastic.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby grease » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:32 pm

Is Lorelei okay? What happened that got you that ruffled? It's no big deal BTW. Nothing
I haven't dealt with before.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:43 pm

grease wrote:Is Lorelei okay? What happened that got you that ruffled? It's no big deal BTW. Nothing
I haven't dealt with before.


Yes, nothing I'm going into here, and you haven't had to deal with it since Oct 5th.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:56 pm

A couple of short videos I shot:


Barry Schultz climbs into the cage at the 2009 Atlanta Open


Ken Climo's final putt at the 2009 Atlanta Open
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby grease » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:35 pm

How lame that someone that used to be respected as a World Champion
would even consider that being inside a fenced in area with "Danger Propane
Tanks" signs would even grasp at the idea that his disc was in bounds. Do you
think that if you asked the parks people if it was okay to go in there that they
would be okay with it? Does any local at Central consider that in bounds?I would
think not. Rand had to make the call and since there was no mention of it in the
brochure, he had to let him get away with it. Rand got the heat for this, but
bottom line is, Barry should have manned up and be realistic. I lost a lot of respect
for Barry for letting Rand take the heat for this. A guy in my group did the exact
same thing in the final round and we (since Barry set the precedent) had to let him
do the same thing. At least the guy in our group realized that it should be ob and let
the group decide. He made a killer bank shot off the siding, bounce off the gutter,
onto the roof with a slide down to the ground. At least it was honest. The preceding
video of Barry is "history" as someone mentions, but it's historic bending the rules. :roll:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby maximus » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:22 am

Yes, I agree. I started looking through rules to figure out how one could climb over a fence into a locked area that should be more than obviously OB, especially if you ask for a majority rule, and expect to try and play from the cage. (great shot getting out though)

Someone please explain how this shot could, "in the spirit of the game", be allowed.

I did not see the OB rules for the PRO event, but I thought "inside or on top" of the building was OB last time I played that layout? I guess the cage is not considered part of the building? Was there no mention of concrete?

Then I watched it again and he appears to move his mini one meter off the building in one direction and then ask to verify that his "line of play" is in a direction perpendicular to the basket, so that he makes sure he stands in the right spot? Maybe I just need to read the rules book over and over to find the ways that I can get an advantage by interpreting them in favor of my position.

I noticed something about loose debris being included in casual obstacles and being able to move back up to 5 meters... I'm calling all the pine straw at ERP "loose debris" next time I end up right behind a tree so I can get a few meters relief free of penalty.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby brim » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:28 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sSDJytQmPM

Put together fairly quickly but enjoy!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:22 am

Someone please explain how this shot could, "in the spirit of the game", be allowed.

As an eyewitness (and cameraman) to the event the right thing was done at the time.

Let's make this clear that Barry didn't ask for Rand to come and make a ruling it was David Feldberg. Barry didn't want to determine his lie as unplayable as only the player can determine that and that would have resulted in his second shot being taken from at most 5 meters back from the line of play (see Rule 803.05) with a penalty stroke. The fenced in area couldn't be determined as OB as it wasn't defined in the program prior to the start of the tournament. So Barry passed the responsibility of determining whether the lie was playable or not to Rand. I agree it was a cheap move to pass the decision on to Rand but that is what happened.

Rule 805.05D: In situations where it is unclear if an object may be moved or other relief obtained, it shall be determined by a majority of the group or an official.

The fenced in area needed to be defined as an obstacle of the course or a playable part of the course by an official and the ruling was made.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:36 am

I don't understand why people are thinking this was such a tragedy. It wasn't listed in the program as out of bounds. You can't call something out of bounds just because it seems like it should be or because the locals play it that way. I didn't see any bending of the rules just good usage of the rules by a legendary disc golfer. Barry did ask for a ruling but Feldberg backed him up. No one was satisfied with Jay's ruling and requested that Rand make the ruling. Rand called it 100% correct. He completely did the right thing. No one deserves any blame for anything because no one did anything wrong. It was just a result of a an oversight in the program. Why is this such a big deal? To be honest my first reaction was that it should be out of bounds but after Rand's ruling and some thought it's clear that everything was done right in my opinion.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby djester » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:38 am

Wasn't any worse than when he punched a tree out at East Roswell Hole No. 9..... that little stump at the end of Red's tee box..... yep, I thought his hand was broke as I watched bark fly off in directions. We didn't say anything about it..... but I had to laugh a bit to myself.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:51 am

If he was fat he would have never climbed that fence. Chubby boys are quick to call a shot OB if it involves scaling a fence and we are good at getting our group to agree and just take the stroke. We will get an ace later to make up for it and won't rip our pants so we look good at the doughnut shop after the round.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:01 am

Wasn't any worse than when he punched a tree out at East Roswell Hole No. 9..... that little stump at the end of Red's tee box.....

I saw an Jesse Hulen's 8x Roc get destroyed by that stump in the first round. It was a sad sight indeed.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby maximus » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:08 am

Big Red wrote:... To be honest my first reaction was that it should be out of bounds ...


First thoughts are usually based on instinct and habits of doing the right thing due to repetition and practice.

Yes, I guess it was a call made and throw deemed legal, good for Barry, but Vern actually makes a good point, would he have to call it unplayable, because he (or someone not as agile as Barry) have to call the disc unplayable since they could not climb the fence or fit through the hole?? Does this not give an unfair advantage to some players not based on their skill as a disc golfer?

Awesome Tournament though. I had a great time watching, despite the cold weather and wind, and saw some awesome disc golf played by many!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Jay » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:21 am

There was a series of 4/5 rules to review for this issue. Once I started to discuss the possibility of OB (due to the "DANGER" sign), Dave Feldberg immediately ask for the TD (Rand) or to call the TD right away. We discussed options and Rand worked it out with the group agreeing with the decission: 3 of the players agreed and 1 undecided.

Dave Gentry (NT Marshall) said it can't be considered OB because it was not listed in the program. The other possibilities were casual relief (like a disc under a car), Player determines it to be unplayable, stance subsequent to teeing off, or play it.

Lesson learned about making sure all hazards are listed in the program accordingly.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Clunck » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:25 am

Maybe the shot was "in-bounds", maybe he did the "right" thing. But shouldn't he at least get a ticket for trespassing? If you have to break the law to take your shot, man up and take the stroke instead of circumventing the rules by a technicality. No TD can cover every scenario in a 30 min speech. A little common scene would have went a long way here.

Even after they let him in the fence to take the shot, he again tries to "cheat". He had the nerve to ask "My line of play is that way, so I'm standing behind my mini going that way?" That way being perpendicular to the basket. Yeah Schultz we all stand beside, not behind our minis when we throw.:roll: Nice second place finish.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:36 am

Would have been a better video if he had a smoke in his hand...
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby kade.erp » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:53 am

Anyone who knows this shot understands that only a barney could end up in this spot! :roll: Its not even in the direction of the basket! After watching several rounds of championship caliber disc golf I actually understand why he ended up there. These pro's look at out of bounds as if its was the END of their day. Man did it get to some of them. Time and time again they laid up and AWAY from any yellow line/road. At the time I was not impressed but their total par for the day speaks for itself!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:39 pm

maximus wrote:
Big Red wrote:... To be honest my first reaction was that it should be out of bounds ...


First thoughts are usually based on instinct and habits of doing the right thing due to repetition and practice.

Yes, I guess it was a call made and throw deemed legal, good for Barry, but Vern actually makes a good point, would he have to call it unplayable, because he (or someone not as agile as Barry) have to call the disc unplayable since they could not climb the fence or fit through the hole?? Does this not give an unfair advantage to some players not based on their skill as a disc golfer?

Awesome Tournament though. I had a great time watching, despite the cold weather and wind, and saw some awesome disc golf played by many!


I don't really understand your point here. I don't see this as any different than Barry being able to throw further or putt better. Being in good shape is not an unfair advantage anymore than greater skill and ability. That's the way I see it even though I'm a fat guy who could have never climbed in there if my life depended on it.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:02 pm

I just call it OB and move on. Then some cool person who is in shape jumps the fence and gets my disc for me. I thank them and let them know that they didn't have to do that as i have many more.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby K-Mack » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:41 pm

You would be surprised how the top pros bend the rules...I saw several instances this weekend where the top of the top pro's were not being very respectful to the rules of the game.

As for the Barry inside the fence deal. When Rand asked our opinion in the group I said it should be OB but would be cool with whatever Rand determined, with that said it really hosed me that it wasn't OB because in the 4th round I had to play from up against that fence and didn't get to take my meter relief since it wasn't OB. I ended up barely knicking the top of the roof with my shot which then went OB after the ricochet. It's not what caused me to fail in the 4th round but it really didn't help either. If you ever have to climb a fence to play your shot it should be automatic OB in any instance, whether it's in the flyer or not.

The thing that was most disturbing about it was FigJam bitching about that it was "why our game would never be taken serious." Well I know for a fact if he got that call he would have been trying to get in that fence to make his shot too. I'm pretty sure he was mad cuz he couldn't get in there and that is why he made a big stink about it. Once the TD rules on it, it should be over and bitchin about it is pointless. I stood behind RAND's call even though it bit me in the arse the last round.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:00 pm

Well spoken Kevin.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby TeeBird » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:10 pm

I agree with KMACK whats done is done lets just move on...... rand awesome tournament congrats from the disc golf family
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby TeeBird » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:11 pm

oops hit it twice
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby DaltonDiscMan » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:21 pm

K-Mack wrote:You would be surprised how the top pros bend the rules...I saw several instances this weekend where the top of the top pro's were not being very respectful to the rules of the game.

As for the Barry inside the fence deal. When Rand asked our opinion in the group I said it should be OB but would be cool with whatever Rand determined, with that said it really hosed me that it wasn't OB because in the 4th round I had to play from up against that fence and didn't get to take my meter relief since it wasn't OB. I ended up barely knicking the top of the roof with my shot which then went OB after the ricochet. It's not what caused me to fail in the 4th round but it really didn't help either. If you ever have to climb a fence to play your shot it should be automatic OB in any instance, whether it's in the flyer or not.

The thing that was most disturbing about it was FigJam bitching about that it was "why our game would never be taken serious." Well I know for a fact if he got that call he would have been trying to get in that fence to make his shot too. I'm pretty sure he was mad cuz he couldn't get in there and that is why he made a big stink about it. Once the TD rules on it, it should be over and bitchin about it is pointless. I stood behind RAND's call even though it bit me in the arse the last round.



First off, GREAT Tourney Kevin!!! You made the DSGB's (Down South Georgia Boys) proud. It was awesome to watch you play. Feldberg was a complete *#$&@ (female dog); all the dude did was complain. If it wasn't the courses fault, it was the weather or the stupid bush that is 60 feet from the OB or the OB line that is 34.4 feet from the basket, or BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Schultz's shot should have been OB but, like has previously been beat to death, it wasn't in the program so..............Great Call Rand!!!

The tourney was my 1st chance to see a NT event and I loved it. Everyone involved should step back and take a bow; you all did yourself and the Georgia disc golf community very proud!!!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:47 pm

Aaron, There was no going over of anything about Central's course at the players meeting on SAT morning - the only thing said about Central was we were teeing off at 9AM Sunday at Central. Hopefully with 1 round a day with tee times next time, we can go over things better.

So I've made some mental notes to be ready for next time.
If you guys thought my hole by hole descriptions were long before......... just wait! :shock:

On the slope hole if you shank way right, or if when teeing off on the gym hole a headwinfd gust blows your disc onto GA 400 you are OB.
If you throw a roller on the gym hole, and someone opens the gym doors and your disc rolls inside you are OB.
If your disc is surrounded by ANY FENCE ANYWHERE on the course, locked or unlocked, you are OB.
If your disc is surrounded by water in the creek, NO MATTER where on the course the creek is (beside the fairway, crossing the fairway, behind the basket, in front of the basket) you are OB.
Concrete / Edge of grass defining OB line applies to ANYWHERE on the course, not just 1 of the 2 manhole covers, because it suits you, including the PAVILION.
Beyond any string line anywhere on the course is OB.
On or beyond any walking path running parallel or beside a fairway is OB.
When teeing across or from a walking path, the path is NOT OB.

Some other ideas being considered are:
If you are touching the smooth concrete of the Gym you are OB, but if your disc is hanging on the rough concrete below 2 meters you are IB (this is what my group came up with in the second round while thinking of other OBVIOUS OB situations)
If you are on top of a PDGA or sponsor banner, you make your next throw 3 feet from the basket.
If you are being filmed and make a bad shot, it won't count and you get to do another take, so it looks good for the viewing public.
And my personal favorite is: I'm NEVER OB no matter where on the course my disc is, because if having no integrity is good enough for some of the top pros, it's certainly good enough for my 951 rating. :lol:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Wookie » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:56 pm

3 rounds at The Crucible with tee times would be the coolest. :mrgreen:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby 408man » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:35 pm

keith johnson wrote:I wish to apologize to my cardmates in the 4th round -
Mikey Kernan, Greg Campbell, Larry Bledsoe and Matthew Pratt for my actions during the round, as I had somethings happen to me after I left the silent auction Saturday night at 11:30 with Lorelei and I blocked it out during the 3rd round for the most part, but was reminded about it again during lunch and could not block it out during the round and despite the guys trying to keep me cheered up and in disc golf mode, I FAILED to keep my head, and wish to profusely apologize, as I have tried EXTREMELY hard to improve my attitude ON THE COURSE during rounds since October 5th when I went caffiene free during the rounds.


Just as a quick explanation to what happened so no rumors get started:
Saturday night on the ride home Lorelei decided to announce our engaement which did not sit well with Keith. I spoke with him during lunch on Sunday to try to put out some fires. Everything was going well until I called him "Dad", this sent him into a rage and he went right to the Pepsi. He drank 6 liters of the poison and went on a rampage. Im not sure of all of the DNFs, but the early reports say that he messed up Ben's hair, Q was found in the trunk of his Neon, and Messy was found naked in the fetal position behind the gym. He hasnt spoken to anyone since.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Funky Bobby J » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:44 pm

K-Mack wrote:You would be surprised how the top pros bend the rules...I saw several instances this weekend where the top of the top pro's were not being very respectful to the rules of the game.


This was my first exposure to an NT event. I discussed with many of my fellow observers just how far we are from being a legit prime-time sport. The overall appearance of our top pros, the way in which the rules are manipulated, etc etc - we have a long ways to go before we are TV friendly. That said, jesus that was some great disc golf this weekend. I feel like I learned more this weekend than I have in the 5 years that I have been playing. Kudos to Rand for handling so many issues from the parks, weather, rules, whiny pros, and those propogating their own agendas to anyone who'd listen.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby atl scott » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:59 pm

Billy Crump's videos are on the PDGA homepage for those interested.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Can't Hit Open Putts » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:47 am

Congrats Ryan and Lorelei! Is your china pattern Dora the Explorer or Hannah Montana?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:18 am

keith johnson wrote:Aaron, There was no going over of anything about Central's course at the players meeting on SAT morning - the only thing said about Central was we were teeing off at 9AM Sunday at Central. Hopefully with 1 round a day with tee times next time, we can go over things better.

So I've made some mental notes to be ready for next time.
If you guys thought my hole by hole descriptions were long before......... just wait! :shock:

On the slope hole if you shank way right, or if when teeing off on the gym hole a headwinfd gust blows your disc onto GA 400 you are OB.
If you throw a roller on the gym hole, and someone opens the gym doors and your disc rolls inside you are OB.
If your disc is surrounded by ANY FENCE ANYWHERE on the course, locked or unlocked, you are OB.
If your disc is surrounded by water in the creek, NO MATTER where on the course the creek is (beside the fairway, crossing the fairway, behind the basket, in front of the basket) you are OB.
Concrete / Edge of grass defining OB line applies to ANYWHERE on the course, not just 1 of the 2 manhole covers, because it suits you, including the PAVILION.
Beyond any string line anywhere on the course is OB.
On or beyond any walking path running parallel or beside a fairway is OB.
When teeing across or from a walking path, the path is NOT OB.

Some other ideas being considered are:
If you are touching the smooth concrete of the Gym you are OB, but if your disc is hanging on the rough concrete below 2 meters you are IB (this is what my group came up with in the second round while thinking of other OBVIOUS OB situations)
If you are on top of a PDGA or sponsor banner, you make your next throw 3 feet from the basket.
If you are being filmed and make a bad shot, it won't count and you get to do another take, so it looks good for the viewing public.
And my personal favorite is: I'm NEVER OB no matter where on the course my disc is, because if having no integrity is good enough for some of the top pros, it's certainly good enough for my 951 rating. :lol:


I am still dumbfounded by your use of the word "intergrity." And no one asked me but I think doing one round a day and tee times is silly. We have enough two and three round tournaments as it is nowadays.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Wookie » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:36 am

There aren't any 3 round tournaments out right now. Your crazy. Maybe one every once and a while at the IDGC. I guess someone needs to call the USDGC and tell them they need to start running two rounds a day so you will think it's legit. Right? You aren't happy if it's a one day, not worth it to you, you don't want tee times, that's just silly. I wonder why the PGA only does one round a day with tee times? Maybe they should start trying to squeeze all 4 rounds into two days like we do.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby grease » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:02 am

Maybe all of this ranting should be moved to Q & A and we can proceed with congratulating Rand
on his great execution of a very thankless and daunting task. Thank you Rand and crew. You all did
a fantastic job. I apologize, I kinda started this.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:03 am

Wookie wrote:There aren't any 3 round tournaments out right now. Your crazy. Maybe one every once and a while at the IDGC. I guess someone needs to call the USDGC and tell them they need to start running two rounds a day so you will think it's legit. Right? You aren't happy if it's a one day, not worth it to you, you don't want tee times, that's just silly. I wonder why the PGA only does one round a day with tee times? Maybe they should start trying to squeeze all 4 rounds into two days like we do.

:roll:


Wookie I'm sorry you have been so deeply offended by my remarks on shorter than four round tournaments. You are incorrect that only the IDGC has three round tournaments as I have ran across many others while looking at the schedule. The Georgia State Championships was a three round event last year as well as the Players Cup which of course was a major. If I'm not mistaken several national tours were as well. I do prefer four round tournaments and I don't care as much if they are only on Saturday and Sunday. With the exception of the USDGC however very few tournaments run Thursday through Sunday with one round a day. Based on that fact after reading Keith's comment I assumed he was refering most likely to a three round tournament beginning on Friday and ending on Sunday with maybe a final nine. I do think that is silly. Perhaps my assumption was unwarrented and Keith was actually suggesting that the Atlanta open become the second disc golf tournament on earth that runs from Thursday through Sunday. It is always a mistake to assume too quickly I guess as anything is possible. I can see that this issue is very emotional for you so we will just have to agree to disagree I suppose.

On a better note I agree with Greg that Rand and everyone else did a great job. I did not play the tournament but observed all four rounds and I thought Rand handled everthing great. The weather stoppages were spot on I thought. Rand is as upstanding of a guy as I have ever met and he made us all look good.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Steve C » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:33 pm

Great job Rand.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby brick » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:18 pm

kade.erp wrote:Anyone who knows this shot understands that only a barney could end up in this spot! :roll: Its not even in the direction of the basket! After watching several rounds of championship caliber disc golf I actually understand why he ended up there. These pro's look at out of bounds as if its was the END of their day. Man did it get to some of them. Time and time again they laid up and AWAY from any yellow line/road. At the time I was not impressed but their total par for the day speaks for itself!


Obviously you are not familiar with this shot. First of all, there was a gale force wind in the direction of the tee. If you have any understanding of the game you would know this causes a disc to flip up to the right (for a right-handed player)...in the direction of the fenced in area. Regarding the out of bounds issue, the object of the game is to keep the disc in play while propelling in the direction of the target. So, to recap, the pros in the Atlanta Open were trying to throw the disc in play between the recreation center on the right and an o.b. rope on the left-approximately a 60-foot wide area. However the 30 mph head wind made this task very difficult, even with the most overstable discs. I actually threw my most overstable firebird and released it with hyzer on this hole only to watch the wind flip it over and almost hit the building. I was quite pleased to get the disc in bounds, as were any other pros who acheived this multi-variabled task. I hope this has helped your obvious confusion. Have a great day! :lol:
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Randgolf » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:51 pm

Many thanks to all of you, even the touring complainers. BIG thanks to all who helped out and to those who competed. I will say that the call we made on hole 13 at Central was a quick decision that may or may not have been correct. Nonetheless, when everyone in a leader group at an NT is waiting on YOU to make a decision you have to make the call. It could go either way, but looking back I should have called it an unplayable lie.

I have observed the top disc golfers as a spectator, fellow competitor, and TD. After dealing with some of these guys this past week, I must say that I am not that motivated to give six months of my life to a tournament that nets more complaints than support. I am not saying that I am not going to run it again (I should mention that I don't know where Keith got the idea that I am going to move it to Central alone with tee times), but I am saying that it is a hard job that takes a lot longer than one weekend. With the right supporting cast in 2010, I am confident that we can pull off a bigger and better event. ERP (RDGC, Mark Holder, Jeff Knighton and Parks staff) are the main reason that I even ran the event in the first place. I would prefer to replace Central Park with Perkerson or somewhere else, but ERP will be in the starting lineup for the Atlanta Open in years to come.

I understand the struggle of having to play good on the road in order to stay out there. There is not a whole lot of love on tour for these guys, but some of them really need a course in public relations. At first, I was bothered by negative comments and nagging complaints, but soon it became laughable which made for a more enjoyable weekend for me. If your identity is "disc golfer" alone, I can understand why bad play would lead to being a bad guy. Not calling any one individual out here, but "only the guilty should feel guilty".

Keith, if you mentioned Central and tee times to me in the past, which I don't recall agreeing to, I am sorry for not clearly remembering. I know we discussed it, but I never committed to it. Moving forward lets not push that or advertise it anymore. Three day tournaments are not my first choice either. I like the format we have and intend to stick with it.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby brim » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:12 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sSDJytQmPM

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby maximus » Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:29 pm

brick wrote:
kade.erp wrote:Anyone who knows this shot understands that only a barney could end up in this spot! :roll: Its not even in the direction of the basket! After watching several rounds of championship caliber disc golf I actually understand why he ended up there. These pro's look at out of bounds as if its was the END of their day. Man did it get to some of them. Time and time again they laid up and AWAY from any yellow line/road. At the time I was not impressed but their total par for the day speaks for itself!


Obviously you are not familiar with this shot. First of all, there was a gale force wind in the direction of the tee. If you have any understanding of the game you would know this causes a disc to flip up to the right (for a right-handed player)...in the direction of the fenced in area. Regarding the out of bounds issue, the object of the game is to keep the disc in play while propelling in the direction of the target. So, to recap, the pros in the Atlanta Open were trying to throw the disc in play between the recreation center on the right and an o.b. rope on the left-approximately a 60-foot wide area. However the 30 mph head wind made this task very difficult, even with the most overstable discs. I actually threw my most overstable firebird and released it with hyzer on this hole only to watch the wind flip it over and almost hit the building. I was quite pleased to get the disc in bounds, as were any other pros who acheived this multi-variabled task. I hope this has helped your obvious confusion. Have a great day! :lol:


Yeah Kade, DUH, don't you know anything! One day maybe you will understand that throw, or even have to play it during another tourney... :shock:
And everybody knows you are supposed to stay IN bounds when you throw. Its SO OBVIOUS :roll: :roll:
So to recap, this Kade guy must be a Barney that doesn't know what he is talking about. :P

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Chinn » Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:45 pm

Thank you very much Rand! For me personally, this was the most fun I have had to date in a tournament (even with the weather)! Your hard work is very much appreciated by a lot of us!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:31 pm

Big Red wrote:I am still dumbfounded by your use of the word "intergrity." And no one asked me but I think doing one round a day and tee times is silly. We have enough two and three round tournaments as it is nowadays.


In the way I used and meant it - it means that you shouldn't have to hold up your group or have the TD make a call on a disc you should know is not playable from where it lies without having to climb inside a covered locked fenced-in area. You could claim a solid obstacle relief and move back in line of play to get a legal stance outside the fence at worst if you wanted to play within the rules, but in no way would climbing over an 8ft chainlink locked fence with a roof on it be considered playing within the rules.

Enlighten me please on your definition as mine could be incorrect.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:50 pm

Randgolf wrote:
I am not saying that I am not going to run it again (I should mention that I don't know where Keith got the idea that I am going to move it to Central alone with tee times), but I am saying that it is a hard job that takes a lot longer than one weekend.

Keith, if you mentioned Central and tee times to me in the past, which I don't recall agreeing to, I am sorry for not clearly remembering. I know we discussed it, but I never committed to it. Moving forward lets not push that or advertise it anymore. Three day tournaments are not my first choice either. I like the format we have and intend to stick with it.


Sorry if I assumed incorrectly from what we have discussed in the past 6 months.
I was (also incorrectly it seems) under the impression that the PDGA was looking for specatator friendly courses with plenty of room for parking and spectators which Central has on both counts to host their biggest Events.

It is YOUR Event and I am just one of the willing and happy helpers and I in no way wish to take away from all YOU did to bring this outstanding Event to the ATL.

When "theP" ever becomes permanent, it would be a great course, but that may be years away. In the mean time if you need my help, you know where to find me, and if Central is not part of your plans in the future, please let me know, and I'll figure out a way to utilize it for a large Event in 2010 in the fall.

Great Job again Rand and hats off to you and your family for all the sacrifices they had to make.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby K-Mack » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:51 pm

Let me throw some kha kha up against the wall and see if it sticks.

I love having a NT in my back yard, especially ERP! As long as the NT is played there this homie will always have a home town advantage over the tour guys. I'm all in favor of some ERP. Cumming personally I would rather skip on it until they get some real concrete pads. The course layout is fine but for a top tier event you want to play on the best equipment. When it's wet those tee-pads as iffy at best. Obviously Perk would be a great place to play also but until it's in it's still a pipe dream for using it in a NT, just ask my home boys in Oklahoma that promised 2 courses in and just put in the 2nd course in Pawhuska where there is gonna be a NT in less than a month.

But think about this, how about Atlanta hosting the NT every other year. Maybe we could rotate with Augusta. It gives the sponsors a break from continually dumping money every year. It gives you longer to raise money for a bigger purse. It allows the TD to re cooperate from the whiney yahoo's that think it's all about them and not the local club celebrating their home town event. It gives you 2 years to get the courses in primo condition with all ground rules and playing surface in tip top shape. There is a lot of upside with doing a rotating NT with Augusta. One of the reasons I believe the Japan Open was so great is that they take 2 years to prepare for that event and every singe i is dotted and t crossed, it's unbelievable.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Wookie » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:50 pm

so we will just have to agree to disagree

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:15 am

K-Mack wrote:But think about this, how about Atlanta hosting the NT every other year. Maybe we could rotate with Augusta.


I spoke with Brian Graham and Dave Gentry about this EXACT idea 3 years ago when I first moved here when Augusta had hosted the Bell South NT, and was told it would be considered, but then they "consolidated" the NT schedule from 13 to 10 NT's and the idea went away, long before anyone else thought of hosting an NT here. I spoke with Rand about having him, and myself hosting an NT in town when he still lived in Toccoa, and I had just been in town 4 months back in 2006. I'm pretty sure he'll remember the conversation we had at Central about it at that time along with Jay Voss and Greg Campbell. Maybe now would be a good time to revisit the idea with the PDGA.

Another thing to consider is that getting the NT is what spurred ERP to install concrete tees a month before the NT - the same thing may happen with Central as the club has been working with the park and been allowed to make improvements that a couple of years ago were pipe dreams - flags for baskets, the cleanup work on 3 & 4 to make them viable, new tee signs and new kiosk, etc. - concrete is not too far away.

Stop throwing your KHA KHA on my dreams. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:47 am

keith johnson wrote:
Big Red wrote:I am still dumbfounded by your use of the word "intergrity." And no one asked me but I think doing one round a day and tee times is silly. We have enough two and three round tournaments as it is nowadays.


In the way I used and meant it - it means that you shouldn't have to hold up your group or have the TD make a call on a disc you should know is not playable from where it lies without having to climb inside a covered locked fenced-in area. You could claim a solid obstacle relief and move back in line of play to get a legal stance outside the fence at worst if you wanted to play within the rules, but in no way would climbing over an 8ft chainlink locked fence with a roof on it be considered playing within the rules.

Enlighten me please on your definition as mine could be incorrect.


Clearly this is just a difference of opinion I guess. Bottom line is a player never should be looked down upon for questioning the rules. If Barry hadn't done what he did I would think less of him. Part of being a real professional is understanding the rules and not settling for "it seems like it should be out of bounds" or "it's clearly out of bounds you should know that." If everyone viewed everything exactly the same way everytime we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't think Barry was trying to cheat or take advantage of anything. I think he was just playing within the rules and within the TD's ruling. I don't think it's fair to him to question his integrity for this. That's all. I respect your view I just don't see it.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby RRPD » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:54 am

Thank you Rand and Kevin for the kind words, but ERP doesn't have to host every year. Please know that as long as I have a voice, the recreation & parks department will always do what it can to help you if you decide to play at Roswell. We would also be interested in exploring possibilities of another course even if it is temporary to host the whole thing in Roswell. Also know that if you don't, we won't have any ill feelings or have our ego crushed. I can appreciate the position that you are in Rand with the tournament and hearing all the complaints and what not. Having run adult leagues and youth leagues in Roswell for 15 years, you just about hear it all even when you are doing what is best for the league. You are going to have people complain just to complain because that is what they do. I know some negative comments or situations can sometimes ruin all the good things that are said and make it seem like it isn't worth doing, but know that a large majority of people appreciate what you did to bring this event here. You also have to consider the sources on a lot of those things!!

I would also like to take the opportunity to thank all the players and volunteers. You had a choice to play/volunteer and you chose this event and it is greatly appreciated by me and our department. We look forward to hosting you again either at a tournament, Monday singles, Thursday doubles or just a casual round. Please know that you are all welcome in Roswell at any time.


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby ghstinshll » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:16 am

Hey everyone - just saw the video footage from PDGA & Billy Crump. Courses looked nice, despite the nasty weather! Made me want to come down from Iowa again to play! It looked like the event went off well despite the weather - great job! If any of you can make it up to Des Moines for The First Class Challenge (also known as Des Moines Challenge) right before Worlds - hope you can make it!

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:29 am

Big Red wrote:

Clearly this is just a difference of opinion I guess. Bottom line is a player never should be looked down upon for questioning the rules. If Barry hadn't done what he did I would think less of him. Part of being a real professional is understanding the rules and not settling for "it seems like it should be out of bounds" or "it's clearly out of bounds you should know that." If everyone viewed everything exactly the same way everytime we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't think Barry was trying to cheat or take advantage of anything. I think he was just playing within the rules and within the TD's ruling. I don't think it's fair to him to question his integrity for this. That's all. I respect your view I just don't see it.


Aaron, you are correct in our having a difference of opinion. I respect your point also. Thanks for stating it.

I also don't think less of Barry, but he had options to use following the rules that could have avoided any of the contoversy it created. Solid object relief rule could have been used, with no penalty and no TD calling. His choosing to play it the way he played it is what I don't see as the right thing. Maybe Integrity is not the PERFECT word - Fairness may be a better choice - as Rule 803.01F is the rule of fairness, which states: If any point in dispute is not covered by the rules, the decision shall be made in accordance with fairness. Often a logical extension of the closest existing rule or the PRINCIPLES EMBODIED in these rules will provide guideance for determining fairness. (CAPS and color by me)
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:11 pm

keith johnson wrote:
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Clearly this is just a difference of opinion I guess. Bottom line is a player never should be looked down upon for questioning the rules. If Barry hadn't done what he did I would think less of him. Part of being a real professional is understanding the rules and not settling for "it seems like it should be out of bounds" or "it's clearly out of bounds you should know that." If everyone viewed everything exactly the same way everytime we wouldn't be having this discussion. I don't think Barry was trying to cheat or take advantage of anything. I think he was just playing within the rules and within the TD's ruling. I don't think it's fair to him to question his integrity for this. That's all. I respect your view I just don't see it.


Aaron, you are correct in our having a difference of opinion. I respect your point also. Thanks for stating it.

I also don't think less of Barry, but he had options to use following the rules that could have avoided any of the contoversy it created. Solid object relief rule could have been used, with no penalty and no TD calling. His choosing to play it the way he played it is what I don't see as the right thing. Maybe Integrity is not the PERFECT word - Fairness may be a better choice - as Rule 803.01F is the rule of fairness, which states: If any point in dispute is not covered by the rules, the decision shall be made in accordance with fairness. Often a logical extension of the closest existing rule or the PRINCIPLES EMBODIED in these rules will provide guideance for determining fairness. (CAPS and color by me)


This is the reason why I try to use terms like "I don't understand." I was confident that you had a better understanding of all the rules than myself and it looks like I was right. I did not remember the rule of fairness which does put a different spin on the situation. I would still however question which way the rule of fairness should be applied in this situation: toward Barry or toward everyone else? An argument could be made either way I think. Interesting....
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:34 pm

And this is why at EVERY Event the groups you play in and other groups on the course have different scores for the same situations, as some players play following the rules as much as they know them, and others playing in groups with officials (or the opposite - players who don't know ANY rules) have different conclusions to the same situation.

Until Disc Golf has the resources to have marshalls or non-playing officials with every group, this will continue to be the case, and that won't happen until there is ALOT more money in Disc Golf.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby ClayTower » Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:57 pm

PDGA has a link to more great coverage of Saturday's play.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Imran » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:35 pm

Can anyone provide me some stats. We need to report the following to the RRPD.

An estimated number of spectators at the Atlanta Open Amateur Event.
An estimated number of spectators at the Atlanta Open NT.

Just give me some rough estimates.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby keith johnson » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:38 pm

Imran wrote:Can anyone provide me some stats. We need to report the following to the RRPD.

An estimated number of spectators at the Atlanta Open NT.


Just at ERP or the entire Event?

At ERP with the rainy weather there was probably 15-20 Non-staff / Non-caddy visitors watching at the course, or following the lead card. Most spectators hung out by 13/17/18 triangle and 3/4/5 triangle of tees.

At Central on Sunday with clearer weather, but also aided by an advertised giveaway of prizes and the final rounds of golf, there was probably 75-100 Non-staff / Non-caddy visitors total on the course, at Tournament Central and following the players from the pathway including probably 15-20 kids with their parents. Thre could have been lots more spread out though as you can only see about a 1/3 of the park from some areas of play.

Hope this helps.

For the Am weekend I was only there for the first 4 hours on SAT., so I can't say anything about that weekend.

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby 12StonesScott » Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:51 pm

Imran wrote:Can anyone provide me some stats. We need to report the following to the RRPD.

An estimated number of spectators at the Atlanta Open Amateur Event.
An estimated number of spectators at the Atlanta Open NT.

Just give me some rough estimates.


Wasn't at the Am event.

Was only around for the first round of Saturday's NT event, and wasn't consciously counting or distinguishing between spectators, caddies, spotters, or other volunteers, but I'd say based on what I saw and the video coverage I've watched since, there were probably between 20 and 50 spectators around at various times. Not much, but the weather was brutal. Looked to be considerably more at Central on Sunday, when at least the rain had (mostly) stopped.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby djester » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:08 am

Am weekend = less than 20 spectators.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Funky Bobby J » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:12 am

Those are called tournament staff...not spectators.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby VERMIN » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:20 am

Does God count as a spectator? He watches everything you know.

If so,

AM weekend = 1 Spectator / Weather Jerk
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Imran » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:56 pm

That helps a lot, thanks guys!
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Funky Bobby J » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:06 pm

VERMIN wrote:Does God count as a spectator? He watches everything you know.

If so,

AM weekend = 1 Spectator / Weather Jerk


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Brian Lang » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:13 pm

solstice_disc_sports wrote:FYI Players,

GATEWAY VOODOO - NOT PDGA LEGAL.......yet.

http://www.pdga.com/tech-standards-alert

Apparently, Gateway Voodoo putters have not been approved for competition despite the stamp and mold reading 'PDGA approved'. TD's should now be on the lookout.

I wonder how many people have used these in sanctioned play already this year?

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mixmasterob » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:13 pm


anyone have a clue what these guys are throwing on this hole? guesses?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby maximus » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:36 pm

mixmasterob wrote:

anyone have a clue what these guys are throwing on this hole? guesses?


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Dale H » Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:39 pm

Barry, thanks for putting the AO movies up on YouTube. I was on hill above AO #4 watching the pin...now I see how they got there. If I recall, Climo was 20-25 ft away (holed for deuce) and Paul McBeth about 40-45 ft away (holed for deuce also).

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Woodrow » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:55 pm

Dale H wrote:If I recall, Climo was 20-25 ft away (holed for deuce) and Paul McBeth about 40-45 ft away (holed for deuce also).

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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Sweeney » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:03 pm

Barry Schultz putts for a deuce on Hole 15 in the third round of the Atlanta Open


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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby grease » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:53 pm

mixmasterob wrote:
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Looked like Rocs or Aviars excepts for the second guy. That snapped back like
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Big Red » Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:59 am

Believe it or not the disc Roadie threw was a groove. His must be really stable.
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mixmasterob » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:22 pm

honestly i wish someone would have gotten video of the hole before this one. as we all know its a monster from the blacks. how did they play it?
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby mrpbody33 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:52 pm

honestly i wish someone would have gotten video of the hole before this one. as we all know its a monster from the blacks. how did they play it?


I did shoot some video on hole 4 but it wasn't as impressive as hole 5. This group pretty much just placed their drives between the first and second trailers or just on the other side of them. No one played the fairway to the right to my recollection. Most went over/under the trailers on their second shot or where past them on the left to make an easy upshot. No one was bombing drives in those conditions that day (at least not in that group).
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Re: 2009 Atlanta Open National Tour Event Mar 28-29th

Postby Wookie » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:55 am

In the first round we watched Avery throw a sidearm out over the trailers and then it flexed back in towards the basket, probably landing down in the lower part. I have also watched Rand throw a backhand that went down the right and then flexed back in, landing about 15' past in the bushes about two week before the NT.
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