Hotlanta PDGA B-Tier 4-5 Jul 09

[solstice_disc_sports]

This top post will continually be updated with new info!



HOTLANTA 2009
Redan & J.P. Moseley
PDGA B-Tier Event
July 4th & 5th, 2009

Flyer Here:
http://www.eatsleepdisc.com/docs/hotlantaflyer.pdf

Player List:
Players List @ PDGA.com

Online Pre-Registration OPEN NOW!


Field Limited to 90 spots.

WE ARE GOING WITH ONE POOL, UNLESS NECESSITY DICTATES TWO ARE NEEDED.

Sponsorship Options

Preferred Corporate Sponsors - (4 Available) - $150.00
You get:
Company LOGO on the Event Shirt + you get a shirt
2 Custom Tee Signs - One per course
Logo with Link on the Event Webpages
Fundraiser Disc

Premium Sponsors - (8 Available) - $75.00
You get:
Name Listed on the Event Shirt + you get a shirt
1 Custom Tee Sign - On hole of your choice
Reserved Parking at Redan
Fundraiser Disc

Hole Sponsors - (20 Available) - $40.00
You get:
1 Custom Tee Sign - On hole of your choice
Fundraiser Disc

Disc Sponsors - (15 Available) - $20.00 - 3 sold - 12 left
You get:
Fundraiser Disc

Pin Placements at Redan are as follows:

Hole 1: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 2: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 3: Long (Under tree) B Position
Hole 4: Traditional Long- C Position
Hole 5: Med. Placement short of creek- C Position I believe
Hole 6: Classic Long Right- C Position
Hole 7: Classic Long- D Postiion, given the new pin placement
Hole 8: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 9: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 10: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 11: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 12: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 13: Long Right- C or D Position I'm not quite sure
Hole 14: Traditional Long- B or C Position I'm once again not quite sure
Hole 15: Long Right- C Position
Hole 16: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 17: Long Right (not super long)- B Position
Hole 18: Traditional Long- B position

Layout for JP Mose as follows:

Hole 1: 529 ft. Par 3
Hole 2: 189 ft. Par 3
Hole 3: 298 ft. Par 3
Hole 4: 276 ft. Par 3
Hole 5: 249 ft. Par 3
Hole 6: 251 ft. Par 3
Hole 7: 475 ft. Par 3
Hole 8: 740 ft. Par 4
Hole 9: 950 ft. Par 5
Hole 10: 443 ft. Par 3
Hole 11: 308 ft. Par 3
Hole 12: 501 ft: Par 3
Hole 13: 840 ft. Par 4
Hole 14: 308 ft. Par 3
Hole 15: 576 ft: Par 4
Hole 16: 259 ft. Par 3
Hole 17: 348 ft. Par 3
Hole 18: 730 ft. Par 4

8270 ft. Par 60

July 4th (Redan)
7:30-8:45 am- Player check-in and Registration (All divisions)9:00 am-Players meeting
9:00am (Sharp!)- Players meeting
9:30am (Extremely Sharp!)- First round play begins
Lunch- TBD, but BBQ available for all players and participants.
TBD-Second Round Plays begins at lunch, (at least 1 hour after last card is turned in)

July 5th (JP Moseley)
9:00 am (Sharp!) - Third Round begins
TBD- Final 6 for top four pro's. Not too long after the conclusion of the third round.
TBD- Awards ceremony (JP Moseley Park) to be done immediately after the conclusion of the final six.

[Cha Ching]

1st one in?!

[solstice_disc_sports]

YES SIR!

Players List @ PDGA.com

[TokioJason]

Just Curious what are the fundraiser disc's?

[Steve Adams]

Just Curious what are the fundraiser disc's?

Chris,
Are the CFR's the same as the full color stamped disc shown in the top post? If not, will any of the full color disc's available?

[solstice_disc_sports]

The fundraiser discs will be Discraft SuperColor Buzzz's with the full color artwork (sample above) by the one & only Dusty Jones.

[Brian Lang]

Who is in charge of determining the layouts?

[Al 7.0 Olds]

Will this be a total of 2 rounds or 4 rounds?

[Jay]

2 rounds each day.

[Graiden]

SWEET!!! I am actually off that weekend. I just forwarded the thread link to some of my disc golf buddies to see if they are interested. Man, I am going to need to get ready for this. Going to the doctor Thursday so that he can tell me if I can resume exercise after my hospital stay and I should be good to go

Do we know how many people have signed up already? Will there be fireworks?!!! LOL.

Catch you all later.

[Jay]

Do we know how many people have signed up already?

The top post has the link for paid players

[dandaman]

Who is in charge of determining the layouts?

Guilty.

I'm definetly considering changing the layout at Redan from last year's layout. The course played extremly fast, and scores were pretty low. This year I think I will take advantage of several of the other pin placements...all old school of course...well, old school for me.

Moseley might play a bit different as well. There is definetly a possibility of extending current hole 9 into a par 5 position,( I know, back-to-back par 5's ) it would make use of a new mando add some elevation change and definetly require some shot shaping (look out OB rope!). I like the idea of an island green on 11 as well. Always game for any ideas. If it fits old school Redan, or championship Moseley hit me up!

[Bornabuckeyefan]

LOL i can hear the chants now...


"ISLAND GREEN ISLAND GREEN ISLAND GREEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAN DOES THAT MAKE THAT HOLE AWESOME.

A par 5 9th sounds awesome and you know I got the rope! Lets put them through it again Dan!!!!!!!!

[djester]

I eat JP Moseley for breakfast!

[JPZ]

I would expect that you will always find #11 w/ an island green during tour. play ( monthlies excluded)

Everyone, else besides you 8-10 guys ,thinks that JULY 4th and 5th are a very bad idea.......and refuse to attend.
I am on the fence myself - family is in town


Is there no chance of a date change?.....................a poll would have been ideal here.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<opinion

[mr.disc]

Faq that...

[Funky Bobby J]

Faq that...

Frequently Asked Questions????

[Jay]

Everyone, else besides you 8-10 guys ,thinks that JULY 4th and 5th are a very bad idea.......and refuse to attend.
I am on the fence myself - family is in town
opinion

The fact that it's 4th of July seems to be the only reason I hear why most players I speak with are saying they can't make it.....BBQ with family and friends and get a round of DG in at the local course. Not sure if you will have enough Jr/single/divorced players to fill one course.....but I wish ya luck!

[dandaman]

Is there no chance of a date change?.....................a poll would have been ideal here.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<opinion

The tournament dates were announced months ago...anyone who wishes to attend has plenty of time to "butter-up" significant others (or family) who would have otherwise prevented them from playing golf on the fourth of July.

That is the key , we gave you advanced notice so that you can prepare for the obvious obstacles of the Fourth of July.

Maybe we could have all-day BBQ at both courses for that day, that way no one misses a cook-out, and then we would all have plenty of time to see the fireworks at night.

[JPZ]

Just as long as you realize that we wont sell out this tournament w/ this date...
...advanced notice really doesn't help considering most do the same every year on this date and plans were made for most on July 5th 2008/

[TomahawkChopper]

Though advanced notice was given the date still sux.Not everybody gets the 4th of july off and on top of that its a family holiday.I might be able to get the days off Ive put in a time away from work notice now im just crossing my fingers.Do I get a discount being the Intermediate Champ at Moseley?LOL .

[Bornabuckeyefan]

just a shame I wont be able to take that title from you. I will however challenge you to a 1 on 1 for it

I will be going home for 8 days over the span of fourth of july weekend, so I will not be participating in the show. I am almost ashamed to not partake, but the date is a horrible one for a tournament. Of coarse I will be heavily volunteering for the course prep and trying to convince daniel to make it the hardest test of golf ATL can offer. (especially since I wont be there )

[TomahawkChopper]

just a shame I wont be able to take that title from you. I will however challenge you to a 1 on 1 for it

I will be going home for 8 days over the span of fourth of july weekend, so I will not be participating in the show. I am almost ashamed to not partake, but the date is a horrible one for a tournament. Of coarse I will be heavily volunteering for the course prep and trying to convince daniel to make it the hardest test of golf ATL can offer. (especially since I wont be there )

I will take that challenge ,and am 100% sure you will try getting dan to make a course that is already a challenge and make it gayer than ever .Icebowl was cool but some of your ob lines and such were a lil much.Not that it was much of a challenge but more uncalled for than anything and im sure others can agree just like the date set for Icebowl .I dont think the powers to be really thought long and hard about that one no offense.

I mean seriously wheres the challenge when theres a limit of what 72 players and only 20 sign up?

[mr.disc]

slam.

[JPZ]

144

[Randgolf]

In time the disc golf junkies will sign up, as usual. Pros dont sign up until the morning of, unless they get shut out. What difference does it make that it is on July 4th? Everyone will be home in time to enjoy explosives.

[Bornabuckeyefan]

Its all apart of the plan my young padawan. It was my first tourney so I am open to all ridicule and congrats, but I am extremely proud of my work. I didnt limit the field to 72 in the end though, we had 90 participate. I didnt turn one away; just used the 72 number as an incentive so I could plan financially and product. But enough about the Ice Bowl!!!!!!!! ITS HISTORY

Consider the title lost , nah man I was joking, well deserved... but I owned you at McCurry so lets be careful on random challenges. Need to keep the titles at the moze. Haha. But ill see you saturday sir, look for me in the Intermediate grouping.

I am ready for Hotlanta. OF COARSE I will be advocating for a tougher layout. I believe the additonal par 4 on the back nine will help. But low score Ice-Bowl in prestine conditions was what... -8 ?

~ I would love to see that number at 3 or 4. As a lower rated player (below pro) I dont care about the layout I play because all I have to do is beat the others. A championship layout should be geared to testing the professionals. 8 under isnt cutting it. More rope, tougher fairways, island, length, and maybe some wind would all be welcome in my opinion. IF they pros want to have a birdie fest let them go to redan or central (SLAM!) This is the MOZE and we have a reputation to keep.

[Bornabuckeyefan]

Man i wish I was able to play... I love the fireworks tie in btw. Hate the date, but solid marketing.

[TomahawkChopper]

Its all apart of the plan my young padawan. It was my first tourney so I am open to all ridicule and congrats, but I am extremely proud of my work. I didnt limit the field to 72 in the end though, we had 90 participate. I didnt turn one away; just used the 72 number as an incentive so I could plan financially and product. But enough about the Ice Bowl!!!!!!!! ITS HISTORY

Consider the title lost , nah man I was joking, well deserved... but I owned you at McCurry so lets be careful on random challenges. Need to keep the titles at the moze. Haha. But ill see you saturday sir, look for me in the Intermediate grouping.

I am ready for Hotlanta. OF COARSE I will be advocating for a tougher layout. I believe the additonal par 4 on the back nine will help. But low score Ice-Bowl in prestine conditions was what... -8 ?

~ I would love to see that number at 3 or 4. As a lower rated player (below pro) I dont care about the layout I play because all I have to do is beat the others. A championship layout should be geared to testing the professionals. 8 under isnt cutting it. More rope, tougher fairways, island, length, and maybe some wind would all be welcome in my opinion. IF they pros want to have a birdie fest let them go to redan or central (SLAM!) This is the MOZE and we have a reputation to keep.

Your set up wasnt bad.......... .I think you did good for your first tourney,I had a bad day at Moseley Steve and his buddy Cody were rubbing me the wrong way(steve is a terrible Caddie).My lowest score so far at the Moseley would be 62 i believe but in tournament mode my second round is always better.I can say Redan my lowest score was a 52 so there would be a challenge to beat me out there lol.Also when is it not windy at the Mose?

[Bornabuckeyefan]

well we had some wind during the second round, but the first the course was pretty much defenseless except for what I did. Wish we would make some fairway bunkers!

[Big Red]

Its all apart of the plan my young padawan. It was my first tourney so I am open to all ridicule and congrats, but I am extremely proud of my work. I didnt limit the field to 72 in the end though, we had 90 participate. I didnt turn one away; just used the 72 number as an incentive so I could plan financially and product. But enough about the Ice Bowl!!!!!!!! ITS HISTORY

Consider the title lost , nah man I was joking, well deserved... but I owned you at McCurry so lets be careful on random challenges. Need to keep the titles at the moze. Haha. But ill see you saturday sir, look for me in the Intermediate grouping.

I am ready for Hotlanta. OF COARSE I will be advocating for a tougher layout. I believe the additonal par 4 on the back nine will help. But low score Ice-Bowl in prestine conditions was what... -8 ?

~ I would love to see that number at 3 or 4. As a lower rated player (below pro) I dont care about the layout I play because all I have to do is beat the others. A championship layout should be geared to testing the professionals. 8 under isnt cutting it. More rope, tougher fairways, island, length, and maybe some wind would all be welcome in my opinion. IF they pros want to have a birdie fest let them go to redan or central (SLAM!) This is the MOZE and we have a reputation to keep.

The idea of par really isn't based on anything in disc golf. You can make par, birdie, bogey anything you want them to be. The addition of the artificial out-of-bounds rarely results in a better experience; it usually just makes the course unfair for everyone including professionals; however, it can be done correctly and be tolerable. Keep in mind even Harold Duvall who created the concept at the USDGC hates doing it as he would prefer natural hazards. I think it should be avoided as much as possible but I know I am in the minority on this. When I see rope I cannot help be reminded of wind mills, clown's mouths and other silly inventions that one might find on their local miniature golf course.

[Bornabuckeyefan]

I am right there with you. IF I Had it my way....

We would dig pot bunkers 10-15ft deep (any ball golfers know what im referring too... brittish links style). If a golfer had to stand in a bunker with a lip (wall) and the front of that was 10-15 ft it would affect your throw by blocking your line of site and making someone throw it higher. A natural penalty for a wayward throw. Throw some sand in the bunker and all of a sudden a run up is out of the ?. I have heard debates on how to make bunkers before and this is easily the best way to do it in disc golf. I would also cut fairways that were on 60-90 ft wide on EVERY hole and let the grass around it run wild a true penalty for missing the fairway.

But making bunkers on a DG course would be a groundbreaking move that probably would not get much support, and I dont control the grass schedule. Natural hazards are the best way to go, but man made isnt a bad option when there are no hazards.

But I come from an extensive ball golf background and I am in the minority with that logic. Not that I want to see DG turn into ball golf (hell no thats why I gave up the one I was good at for the one I suck at). But I would love to finally see a golf course that actually made a golfer play golf. The game of "golf" is one of precision and management, that shouldnt change from ball to disc. Id like Moze to lead the way in challenging distance, accurracy, approach, putting, and course management. A true test.

[Bornabuckeyefan]

And its not so much the score as it is what the score implys.

When I think championship layout for courses, I like to refer to the way the ball golfs version of the US Open sets up. A demanding course that stresses a players game in all aspects. There are players that get to 6, 7, 8 down at the US Open every year and its a much appreciated adn deserved feat. But the majority, especially those that arent on their game struggle to get that low. In championship golf, at the highest level, its my belief that par should be a good score and birdies should be a treat. I hate to hear someone say "I only got a par". Its a purest mindset I know, one that is of little consequence in the scheme of things. But, there are very few if any courses that I have played that are like that in dg. Mainly because most courses lack the room to provide such. Moze and the P IMO, have the ability to be those courses.

[djester]

(thread crashers) sorry Dan & Chris

sand traps for DG = one stroke penalty.... that's your punishment for an errant shot

Keeping grass cut is a good way to manage bugs and snakes and other critters you don't want to encounter on the course. Mowed grass = less ticks.

Maybe we got a little carried away last year with OB ropes.... they didn't affect me at all, but my memory is also shot.

[JPZ]

There are players that get to 6, 7, 8 down at the US Open every year and its a much appreciated adn deserved feat. But the majority, especially those that arent on their game struggle to get that low.

Isn't that the winning/ losing scores of all events held at Moseley to this point?

[dandaman]

(thread crashers) sorry Dan & Chris

sand traps for DG = one stroke penalty.... that's your punishment for an errant shot

Keeping grass cut is a good way to manage bugs and snakes and other critters you don't want to encounter on the course. Mowed grass = less ticks.

Maybe we got a little carried away last year with OB ropes.... they didn't affect me at all, but my memory is also shot.

Getting the grass mowed properly for this event is a must. It will be one of my bigger priorities.

Last year at Hotlanta the OB rope was not too tough, but was difficult to locate unless you walked right up on it. i will utilize Donnies electrical flags as a good indicator as where they are. Black 13 will probably play a little differently as well. Only fence and creek/path OB.

[Bornabuckeyefan]

Yes, i must apologize for the thread crashing. Sorry.

I think the OB was weak at Hotlanta personally... but the flags were a win win. I think the creek fence OB is the best way to play black 13 btw, so I love that decision.

Not a bad idea josh, but just landing in a bunker shouldnt be a penalty, you should reward those of us with good overhead games that can escape.

[djester]

Donnie, let me know when you attempt to dig a 15ft deep hole and I will be happy to see how it plays. Think about it for a second... 15ft deep.... do you know how much work that would take? It would require at least 2-3 per hole to have any chances of hitting them, unless you dig 15ft down and 30ft across (which would be ludicris to even attempt). Just sayin, think about it, blurting out stuff without thinking is never good. I do it as well. 15ft deep holes... Whew!

[Bornabuckeyefan]

Well josh I have done it before, and you dont necessarily dig 15 down. Working on a golf course for 3 years taught me a bit, go 7 down, use the 7ft of dirt to create the lip to rise up. Believe me I know its hard work. I am not proposing we do it, just bringing up an idea on how it can be done is all.

[Big Red]

And its not so much the score as it is what the score implys.

When I think championship layout for courses, I like to refer to the way the ball golfs version of the US Open sets up. A demanding course that stresses a players game in all aspects. There are players that get to 6, 7, 8 down at the US Open every year and its a much appreciated adn deserved feat. But the majority, especially those that arent on their game struggle to get that low. In championship golf, at the highest level, its my belief that par should be a good score and birdies should be a treat. I hate to hear someone say "I only got a par". Its a purest mindset I know, one that is of little consequence in the scheme of things. But, there are very few if any courses that I have played that are like that in dg. Mainly because most courses lack the room to provide such. Moze and the P IMO, have the ability to be those courses.

I am a large golf fan myself so the need to use the term "ball golf" is non-existent with me unless you just want to. It makes me wretch and diminishes the game greatly in my opinion. Anyway I see your point here, however remember the 99 US open at Pinehurst. That wasn't a fair test of golf and I feel that disc golf crosses that line too much. Like I said if done correctly the artificial out of bounds can work.

[gvan]

I am a large golf fan myself so the need to use the term "ball golf" is non-existent with me unless you just want to. It makes me wretch and diminishes the game greatly in my opinion.

It doesn't diminish it quite enough in my opinion. So I call it "ballf." Hmmm never spelled it before "bolf?"




hehe

[Brian Lang]

Exert from 'What's a Fairway?"
issue #51 (Fall 1999) of Disc Golf World News

.... Sure, ball golfers sometimes have to curve their shots to the right or the left in the air. And they have to go around trees, but usually that's just following the curve of the fairway. They can't make the sharp turns that we can, and I guarantee you they never make shots that curve right and then left, or left and then right. They can't. In fact, when I'm trying to explain the difference between the two games, I might just say, "Ball golf courses use trees as guidelines; disc golf courses use trees as obstacles."

I learned this lesson the hard way when I was working on the bottom course at Circle R. Over and over, I kept saying, "Wow, what a great fairway -- it looks just like a ball golf fairway." I was on the verge of really blowing it. If you ever find yourself making a lot of ball golf-type fairways, slap yourself. Hard. You're missing one of the most important aspects of disc golf.

Also it may be beneficial to read this article before laying down more OB rope. http://www.houckdesign.com/range.html

Personally I agree with Big Red that "the addition of the artificial out-of-bounds rarely results in a better experience". It seems to me that too much OB rope limits the different routes that can be taken by forcing each player to attempt to make the same kind of shot down the fairway thus minimizing risk/reward. This has always been my issue with the typical basic round island green.

[solstice_disc_sports]

Wow....haven't checked this thread in awhile...

This tournament is still over 4 weeks away.....not everything is a 72 player cap that sells out in 46 hours!

They will come. Watch the player's list grow as we get closer. If the field WAS limited to 72, we'd be filling up quickly. No one is in a rush to sign up with 144 available. Rand is right. You can always sign up on Saturday if your plans change.

What better way to celebrate America's independence than throwing a disc!

However in the event that we do have 90 or less we will switch to one pool.

There are DISC GOLF events all over the country that TRADITIONALLY take place on the 4th of July weekend...hopefully a new tradition for Hotlanta...it just so happens it actually falls on the 4th this time.

Sorry to those who can't/won't make it...we'll miss ya!

[dandaman]

There is lots of preparation needed for this event. If you are intrested in helping out for Hotlanta now is a good time to do so. We need help in course preparation, and course development. Saturdays (from now untill the tournament) we will be meeting at JP Mose' to help prepare for its second Hotlanta experience. We could use help with all sorts of things but probaly the most exciting items are making hole 11 into a permanant island green and extending hole 9 into a true par five, and if we have time and the resources we will make hole 14 into a par 4 as well.

Other ways to help out: We could use any water coolers that are laying around, or any tournament resources that we could use...i.e. scoreports, certified T.D.s , and of course sponsorships.

Voluenteers are sure to get recognized in some form or fashion.

This is your oppurtunity to give back to the sport we all so dearly love!

[djester]

Water cooler (1)
coolers (3)
10x10 sun shade (1)
Certified T.D. (havent decided if I'm playing on not, I had fun just watching everyone else play last year)

Grill (2)

[Bornabuckeyefan]

I have 2 really huge coolers that are county property here at work. Ill have to check the schedule but im sure you can use them. I will be out of town so if they are going to be used I would need them to be taken care of and returned to me when I get back.. no exceptions.

[TomahawkChopper]

I would like to see some trees to the right on 4 and trees to the left of 13 cleared in the patch so that if you do end up in thick you still have a chance of throwing out.Its really thick in there.......Think about it and somebody else suggest it in a week or so please thanx.
The localist Local,
Joey T

[dandaman]

I would like to see some trees to the right on 4 and trees to the left of 13 cleared in the patch so that if you do end up in thick you still have a chance of throwing out.Its really thick in there.......Think about it and somebody else suggest it in a week or so please thanx.
The localist Local,
Joey T

Your not supposed to throw over there. Those trees are over there for a reason.

[TomahawkChopper]

I would like to see some trees to the right on 4 and trees to the left of 13 cleared in the patch so that if you do end up in thick you still have a chance of throwing out.Its really thick in there.......Think about it and somebody else suggest it in a week or so please thanx.
The localist Local,
Joey T

Your not supposed to throw over there. Those trees are over there for a reason.

Every now and then the goblins of the shule use their force to veer my disc off course,plus it beats an ob right

[JPZ]

There is lots of preparation needed for this event. If you are intrested in helping out for Hotlanta now is a good time to do so. We need help in course preparation, and course development. Saturdays (from now untill the tournament) we will be meeting at JP Mose' to help prepare for its second Hotlanta experience. We could use help with all sorts of things but probaly the most exciting items are making hole 11 into a permanant island green and extending hole 9 into a true par five, and if we have time and the resources we will make hole 14 into a par 4 as well.

the course is long enough already! your course i gueuss ,but what are you guys thinking ?. do you realise that most people only want to play 1 rd at JPM it's almost better to head to redan instead. I can get in 2 rds there in the time it takes to loop a'round out @ JPM. its already the longest permanent back 9 in ga . to let you know if i can help out on this ; i will not be a helping part in this . sry w.t.f. r ya'll thinkin' ?

[dandaman]

Easy JPZ...

Jeez nothing sets in stone dude, so take your meds and stop hyperventelating...

Chris and I have already talked and we will not be playing any longer of a course than that which is set up, in fact on several of the holes we have discussed using pads instead of the walkways (eg. 13). Of course I am in favor of using walkways on holes 1, 9, and 11, but in the intrest in time and of the shear nature of the course, we are exploring the idea of using the teepads only.

Of course with that being said I'm sure people will take issue with that as well. It's all too preditable some times I'm afraid.

We give people red kool-aid when thier thirsty but they complain when it's not blue. WTF indeed.

[dandaman]

How about instead of a championship caliber course we set it up like it originally was...You know 250 ft straight hyzer shots...plus no shade. The course can be played in 1/3 the time, and you can ace-run every hole. Bonus: No originality.

[JPZ]

Well let me state it this way , I am not your reprersentative, obviously.
If I were, we could use the info. that I have recieved from many players that I play w/ on a usual basis and a handful of others.

I did not say either that,"I don't enjoy a championship caliber course".
I love Moseley and appreciate all that you have done to make it what it is today.
But I think as do many others that, a course doesn't have to be the longest in Ga. times 2, to be a CCC.
Other course in Ga are not as long and provide an ample challenge to anyone who plays it, not just catering to the long bombers.

Example:
That is the main problem with The Masters @ Augusta <B-Golf.
To many yards have been added and now the only ones who win are the ones who can drive a ball 425 yards everytime. It has taken the finesse out of the game.
The course is now set-up so that the Best player does not win .Only the longest player w/ the best putting stats. averaged.

Same w/ Dg ........if you can't drive the ball 425 ft your not really going to be in contention ....ever. @ JPM
I will help do any maintaining or just continue to do the work that I already do out there. But, I will not be a "helping"part in lengthening the course anymore.
To many of my "PEEPS" have complained.
And now yours are starting to also.

For the record.......I did take my "MEDS", I just didn't have all of my levels right
I was in a hurry so no proof-reading was done. sry

[dandaman]

Well JPM is definetly a challanging course, and it probably always will be. I always appreciate critique and candor when it comes to the design of the course, because the course is meant for everyone not just one or two.

If I had thought of it sooner (and I had had the resources and the man-power) I probably would have turned this course into a par 70-72 hole layout with four par 3's and four par 5's and the rest of the holes par 4. Of course JPM is limited by what it has to offer...sorry there are no drastic elevation changes, nor or there any pretty ponds to play around to make it asthetically pleasing and there is a crapload of field grass that has ticks in it that does well enough to get mowed every 4 weeks. Not much I can do about that. What I can do however is make the course a true challange to play. Not 'unfair' challenging but a challange of golf skills that requires a variety of shots and stamina to shoot well. There are enough par 3 disc golf courses out there. Muscle-memory will get you through most of them. I desire JPM to be true golf. An honest workout to walk the course...because the course is a golf course, not a pitch and putt.

Perhaps the greatest thing Moseley has going for it is that it is not like the other parks in Atlanta. In fact comparing it to other courses in the area is totally unfair. It's like comparing lamb to tuna fish, baseball to football, or dare I say it, apples to oranges. There is no substitute for Moseley. It is a living, breathing, totally viable golf course that desires to be played on.

We would like for you to come enjoy this course. We had a very successful Ice-Bowl Tourney this past Febuary, and another great experience with Hotlanta last year.

The fourth of July is a great holiday. Come enjoy some great golf this holiday. We look forward to seeing you there.

Sincerly,

Daniel May
CO-TD Hotlanta 2009

[TomahawkChopper]

If you guys are making the course longer id suggest the front 9 the back nine is loooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggg enough.Im with Jpz after one round im ready to get the hell outta there.
I wouldnt go as far as going back to old school JPM,but there were a few holes in that set up that would be cool to see be brought back as an alt hole.

As you all know my least favorite is BLACK 13 what kinda rocks were you guys smoking when you came up with that Idea??????

[Jay]

When is Hotlanta?

[VERMIN]

Here you go Jay: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1807

hope that helps

[Brian Lang]

Ryan Lambie's PDGA number is incorrect on the registration page. His correct number is 36840.

[solstice_disc_sports]

You'd think think he would know his own PDGA number when registering! Just kidding, it's probably my mistake...I'll get it changed...good catch Brian. Thanks!

[dandaman]

The courses are looking sweet! Pin Placements at Redan are as follows:

Hole 1: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 2: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 3: Long (Under tree) B Position
Hole 4: Traditional Long- C Position
Hole 5: Med. Placement short of creek- C Position I believe
Hole 6: Classic Long Right- C Position
Hole 7: Classic Long- D Postiion, given the new pin placement
Hole 8: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 9: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 10: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 11: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 12: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 13: Long Right- C or D Position I'm not quite sure
Hole 14: Traditional Long- B or C Position I'm once again not quite sure
Hole 15: Long Right- C Position
Hole 16: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 17: Long Right (not super long)- B Position
Hole 18: Traditional Long- B position

[dandaman]

This may very well be the only PDGA tournamnet at Redan this year.

[Jay]

The courses are looking sweet! Pin Placements at Redan are as follows:

Hole 1: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 2: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 3: Long (Under tree) B Position
Hole 4: Traditional Long- C Position
Hole 5: Med. Placement short of creek- C Position I believe
Hole 6: Classic Long Right- C Position
Hole 7: Classic Long- D Postiion, given the new pin placement
Hole 8: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 9: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 10: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 11: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 12: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 13: Long Right- C or D Position I'm not quite sure
Hole 14: Traditional Long- B or C Position I'm once again not quite sure
Hole 15: Long Right- C Position
Hole 16: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 17: Long Right (not super long)- B Position
Hole 18: Traditional Long- B position

I placed these positions in the top post.

[Brian Lang]

Is the Hotlanta Layout setup now?

[keith johnson]

The courses are looking sweet! Pin Placements at Redan are as follows:

Hole 1: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 2: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 3: Long (Under tree) B Position
Hole 4: Traditional Long- C Position
Hole 5: Med. Placement short of creek- C Position I believe
Hole 6: Classic Long Right- C Position
Hole 7: Classic Long- D Postiion, given the new pin placement
Hole 8: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 9: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 10: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 11: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 12: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 13: Long Right- C or D Position I'm not quite sure
Hole 14: Traditional Long- B or C Position I'm once again not quite sure
Hole 15: Long Right- C Position
Hole 16: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 17: Long Right (not super long)- B Position
Hole 18: Traditional Long- B position

I placed these positions in the top post.

This helps the 10 people that are REEdan regulars for years playing in the Event that know what those positions mean - for the rest of us we'll just look to see where the basket is and say "there it is".

Are they staying there both rounds, or following usual REEdan Events and moving between rounds?

Maybe I'll be in REEdan Randy's group and get some inside help.

[jonp]

The courses are looking sweet! Pin Placements at Redan are as follows:

Hole 1: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 2: Med. Left- B Position
Hole 3: Long (Under tree) B Position
Hole 4: Traditional Long- C Position
Hole 5: Med. Placement short of creek- C Position I believe
Hole 6: Classic Long Right- C Position
Hole 7: Classic Long- D Postiion, given the new pin placement
Hole 8: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 9: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 10: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 11: Classic Long- C Position
Hole 12: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 13: Long Right- C or D Position I'm not quite sure
Hole 14: Traditional Long- B or C Position I'm once again not quite sure
Hole 15: Long Right- C Position
Hole 16: Traditional Long- B Position
Hole 17: Long Right (not super long)- B Position
Hole 18: Traditional Long- B position

I placed these positions in the top post.

This helps the 10 people that are REEdan regulars for years playing in the Event that know what those positions mean - for the rest of us we'll just look to see where the basket is and say "there it is".

Are they staying there both rounds, or following usual REEdan Events and moving between rounds?

Maybe I'll be in REEdan Randy's group and get some inside help.

I'll quote the pin placements one more time, just to be sure everyone sees them

Perhaps Dusty Jone's Award Winning Redan Map will be helpful. Please learn the named areas and refer to them properly during the tournament. There will be a test.

[keith johnson]

C'mon Jon, I only get to give the REEdan people crap once this year.

I already know where all 132 pin locations are as we have played them at least once in the 3 &1/2 years I've been here.

[djester]

We were going to connect a few holes together and then skip a few holes, then play some backwards, then make a few holes of our own with other parts of the course, then connect a few more holes... but thought that would be less confusing than moving the baskets!

[keith johnson]

We were going to connect a few holes together and then skip a few holes, then play some backwards, then make a few holes of our own with other parts of the course, then connect a few more holes... but thought that would be less confusing than moving the baskets!

3 tee to 4 long basket would be a killer Supersized hole.

[Can't Hit Open Putts]

We were going to connect a few holes together and then skip a few holes, then play some backwards, then make a few holes of our own with other parts of the course, then connect a few more holes... but thought that would be less confusing than moving the baskets!

3 tee to 4 long basket would be a killer Supersized hole.

It is Keith, but the best is either 13 to 14 or 18 to 1.

[djester]

18 to 1, but you have to play up to 1's tee pad before you proceed to the basket

A fun playoff configuration is from 4's pad to the practice basket.... almost never a second play off!

[keith johnson]

We were going to connect a few holes together and then skip a few holes, then play some backwards, then make a few holes of our own with other parts of the course, then connect a few more holes... but thought that would be less confusing than moving the baskets!

3 tee to 4 long basket would be a killer Supersized hole.

It is Keith, but the best is either 13 to 14 or 18 to 1.

I didn't want to list all the holes that could be supersized at REEdan as I'm hated enough already.

Just giving the QUEEN Bee something to stir about.

[djester]

don't know who the queen bee would be.... I don't even have a buzz yet

Sorry for the thread hi-jack!! Reeeeeeee-eeeeee-dan is looking great with all the cleaning that was done!!!

[Steve Adams]

We were going to connect a few holes together and then skip a few holes, then play some backwards, then make a few holes of our own with other parts of the course, then connect a few more holes... but thought that would be less confusing than moving the baskets!

3 tee to 4 long basket would be a killer Supersized hole.

It is Keith, but the best is either 13 to 14 or 18 to 1.

I was hoping for 15 teepad to #5 D basket placement, but 18 teepad to #5 D would work too

[Can't Hit Open Putts]

Steve wrote: I was hoping for 15 teepad to #5 D basket placement, but 18 teepad to #5 D would work too


What are the pars for those holes???????

[Steve Adams]

Steve wrote: I was hoping for 15 teepad to #5 D basket placement, but 18 teepad to #5 D would work too


What are the pars for those holes???????

Through rigorous indctrination into the DG tournament mindframe I have learned par does not matter...lowest score wins

[dandaman]

3 tee to 4 long basket would be a killer Supersized hole.

This is not a valid Supersized hole. C'mon Keith you've been here how long and you still don't know the Super Eight layout?

Are they staying there both rounds, or following usual REEdan Events and moving between rounds?

That would be a No. While some of the other pin locations qualify for Classic or traditional status these I feel would provide the most challange for a PDGA tournament round. Consistency in the course has also been taken into consideration. There are roughly 8 Hyzer type holes, 7 Anhyzer type holes and 3 roughly straight holes. Some of these would be debatable (such as 7 being an anhyzer) but others are more apparent (Holes 3 and 4 are definetly more of the straight type holes).

[jmain]

Hey guys I'm from Mississippi and myself and 2 buddies were going to make it over to this tournament but because of a number of our plans falling through were not going to be able to make it. We have 5 tickets to the Atlanta Braves game on the Thursday night before the tournament that we are looking to sell if anyone is interested email me at Scooop08@aol.com please. Again sorry I won't be able to make it good luck everyone

[solstice_disc_sports]

Change in plans......

Field Limited to 90 spots.

WE ARE GOING WITH ONE POOL, UNLESS NECESSITY DICTATES TWO ARE NEEDED.

[dandaman]

Looking highly likely that this will be a 54 hole event!

2 Rounds Saturday at Redan, followed by one huge round of golf at the Mose on Sunday.

Reasons being Redan plays quicker, provides a better BBQ'ing enviroment, and we would all like the participants to not be too worn out on Monday after a long day of golf on Sunday

Don't be dismayed having only one round at the 'Mose'. Instead of six hours in the blistering heat, you will now only need to play three.

[kade.erp]

Looking highly likely that this will be a 54 hole event!

2 Rounds Saturday at Redan, followed by one huge round of golf at the Mose on Sunday.

Reasons being we would all like the participants to not be too worn out on Monday after a long day of golf on Sunday

When did four rounds of disc golf in two days become too hard. what a joke.

Are you going to provide sunblock, deet and tampons? You dont want us all burned and eaten up by Monday too?

[Big Red]

Looking highly likely that this will be a 54 hole event!

2 Rounds Saturday at Redan, followed by one huge round of golf at the Mose on Sunday.

Reasons being Redan plays quicker, provides a better BBQ'ing enviroment, and we would all like the participants to not be too worn out on Monday after a long day of golf on Sunday

Don't be dismayed having only one round at the 'Mose'. Instead of six hours in the blistering heat, you will now only need to play three.

Please don't fall in the trap that seemingly everyone else is falling in. It's becoming a special experience just to play four rounds of 18 holes. Three rounds is beyond lame and really just flat out sad.

[djester]

I think there may be a chance for a final 9! (maybe, maybe, maybe)
Quit complaining about a 3 round tournament, no one is following footsteps, it was decided because JP Moseley takes a long time to play and there wouldn't be much of a awards ceremony afterwards if playing 4 rounds.
Bring your own tampons (B.Y.O.T.), they are not included in the players packs!
Last years awards ceremony started pretty late and they don't want this to happen again.
Send in your money and stop crying

[TomahawkChopper]

Hell 1 round at the Mose is a good thing trust me NOBODY wants to be out there for two rounds .If you need 4 rounds then play 3 at Redan .

[Brian Lang]

I think there may be a chance for a final 9! (maybe, maybe, maybe)
Q

Are you talking about a final nine of sanctioned play?

[djester]

Still in the works so maybe we'll know soon. I am thinking a final nine for the we could have the top 4 in Pro/Am divisions and maybe the top 3 in the other divisions? I am not sure if Chris & Dan would even consider this but I talked to Dan last night and he had a final nine holes in mind

With all that we have been doing to improve the course in the past weekends, most that aren't regulars will notice a completely changed course. I am looking forward to some of the feedback from this years players and see what they think compared to last years tournament.

I am sure we'll see lower scores from all divisions!!
The woods holes are playing very nice, stay on the fairways and you'll get good scores.
If you plan on playing in Hotlanta, it would be a good idea to check out the course and get a good idea of placement and shots needed to score well.

[Big Red]

I tell you, the difference between playing a fourth round and a final nine is what an hour and half maybe two hours. Man I need that two hours on a Sunday afternoon. That's great.

[djester]

Having a final nine would give the TD's time to tally scores and get the payouts/prizes all figured out. It also would give the players something to do while we are waiting. Ring of Fire, ace fund playoff, long drive comp., and such are also ways to keep people busy while waiting for payouts. I don't see it as a big deal to do things this way, plus it will be 90-100* weather!

Aaron, you'e a pretty smart guy, does this not seem like a good way to end a tournament? Should it be 4 rounds, playing till 7:30, scrambling for awards/payouts, scrambling for merchandise pay-offs, and leaving the course at dark? .... All to have to drive home (some have to drive to another state)

If Dan and Chris end up having a final nine, I promise it will be one to rememeber!!

[Big Red]

Having a final nine would give the TD's time to tally scores and get the payouts/prizes all figured out. It also would give the players something to do while we are waiting. Ring of Fire, ace fund playoff, long drive comp., and such are also ways to keep people busy while waiting for payouts. I don't see it as a big deal to do things this way, plus it will be 90-100* weather!

Aaron, you'e a pretty smart guy, does this not seem like a good way to end a tournament? Should it be 4 rounds, playing till 7:30, scrambling for awards/payouts, scrambling for merchandise pay-offs, and leaving the course at dark? .... All to have to drive home (some have to drive to another state)

If Dan and Chris end up having a final nine, I promise it will be one to rememeber!!

It does not seem like a good way to end a tournament. I played the tournament last year and I don't recall there being a problem with the timing of the awards ceremony at all. Of course I am understanding of what it takes to get all of the scores together and get the awards handed out. People who complain about this are the ones that need to just shut up and that have a problem. It is part of a tournament and it takes time. It was the same thing when I raced motorcycles. The best way to cut down on the time for the awards ceremony is not to have it at someone's house that is 45 minutes out in the middle of no where. So that wasted time needs to be taken out of the equation. As for people driving home once again is that two hours really going to make that much diffence? If it does then they really shouldn't be playing the tournament. I have always been more than willing to lose a little bit of sleep or time on tournament weekends. The fact is four real rounds allows time for more ebb and flow in the tournament. Someone could go from tenth to first in the fourth round, you never know. I just think three rounds is a shortened tournament that does not always reward the best player. The fewer rounds you play the easier it is to get hot and stay hot with your game. It just isn't legitimate. Right now it seems to be an overwhelming theme in the game as I believe I have only played one tournament this year out of eight that was four rounds of 18 holes. I personally think the PDGA needs to make a rule on this but it will never happen for whatever reason. The whole concept of a final nine is just another one of those head scratchers in this game. It has never made sense to me either. Disc golf has many strange and bizarre obsessions and shorten tournaments and final nines are a couple of them. They even screwed up the USDGC by going to the wednesday through saturday schedule so I guess no tournament is immune from it. I will say since you guys are dead set on the final nine just at least make it pro only. Having a final nine for am divisions is really, really silly. The ams should make up the gallery for the pros. I appreciate everyone's hard work on this tournament and for listening to my comments. I suppose I will play the tournament regardless of what ya'll decide.

[Redan Randy]

Play two rounds of Moseley on Saturday, then two at Redan on Sunday? Final nines are great for the few that are playing. The fun of following final nines have worn out for me, unless it's Climo or Josh Childs or the like.

[djester]

I am just a pawn in the game of life (Mongo in "blazing saddles"), so I am only giving options to better what has been determined as a 3 round tournament.

Chris is the head TD so basically everything is determined by him. I think he is doing a great job on something that no one stood up to do, so we really can't complain at all becasue if not for Chris, Hotlanta wouldn't even be happening this year. Thanks for standing up and taking lead Chris!!! I am on the side and offering help (some may say this is not help). I will be helping set up both courses and get them ready for play. I'm really just offering any kind of help they may need.

I will be playing and hope to give Rand a run for his money!!

Maybe we'll have time for a round afterwards??

[Big Red]

Play two rounds of Moseley on Saturday, then two at Redan on Sunday? Final nines are great for the few that are playing. The fun of following final nines have worn out for me, unless it's Climo or Josh Childs or the like.

Here is a suggestion that makes too much sense.

[maximus]

Whatever format is chosen is going to have opposition....

Two rounds of Mosely on Saturday and you end up with people not getting back to their families for dinner and celebration of Fireworks and the Fourth of July...

Two rounds of Mosely on Sunday and you have a LATE awards ceremony and people are exhausted and complain that it should have only been one round....

Have a 3 round Tourney and you have people saying that it should have been four, and they could have come back and won....

Add a final nine and bore the hell out of 3/4 of your participants waiting around for the award ceremonies...

Best Solution.... MAKE A DECISION (LIKE A MONTH AGO)- STICK WITH IT AND TELL EVERYONE TO SHUT UP AND PLAY OR DON'T!!

[djester]

those that don't want to follow the final nine (if chosen to have one) can participate in the ring-of-fire, or any of the "killing time" activities that could partake.

I'm sure next years Hotlanta will be open for someone to take control..... THEN.... that would be your chance to have a tournament YOUR own way..... like burger king

till then, lets make the most out of it and have fun. If the tournament doesn't suit you, then save your money for the next Super 6 tournament (coming soon to a course near you!)

[dandaman]

Chris and I are working on the format of timing of the tournament. The finalized schedule will be available later this week. Making Moseley only one round is based soley on the fact of the amount of time it will take to play the tournament set-up. If this was a Moseley only event it would still be only three rounds. I also believe that we would like to have a BBQ in between rounds on the fourth because hey, when is BBQ'ing on the fourth not cool? Redan provides the best area/conditions for this.

A final nine is yet TBD...although I must mention that I have a couple of final nine layouts that would be cool to consider.

We have only two weeks to this tournament. It will be a great Hotlanta event.

[TomahawkChopper]

Im down with whatever the TD's decide to do!# rounds and a final 9 sounds cool,3 rounds no final 9,or maybe even 4 rounds but the two at Moseley played frome the tees and not the BLACKS?Theres really no way to make Moseleys rounds any shorter even by not playing blacks you might shave off 30-45 mins.

If yall do stick with a final Nine id say it should be 1,3,6,7,10,12,15,17,and 18?Those seem to be the better holes in my opinion .

[Brian Lang]

I accept not playing two rounds on Sunday, but I am not too fond of the extra nine idea. The only award ceremony where I have got tired of waiting was last years Hotlanta. That was an understandable wait because I played Redan Sunday and the JP crowd took longer to play. I assume since we are all going to be playing one venue with what appears to be a less than full tournament I trust that the awards ceremony can be much quicker than last year with minimal need for delay.

I am good with playing Disc golf on a Holiday weekend but I am not good with watching disc golf on a Holiday weekend. I really do not see a reason to kill time especially when the justification for cutting out a round to prevent was long day of golf.

Thanks to everyone that is running this event but with less than two weeks before we play, I would like to be able to nail down some times so I can know what I am doing Sunday evening.

[maximus]

If yall do stick with a final Nine id say it should be 1,3,6,7,10,12,15,17,and 18?Those seem to be the better holes in my opinion .

One advantage a final nine is that it doesn't have to be original holes, it can, and imo should be a safari/mixed course. Don't limit yourself, think outside the box. I am NOT saying I like the final nine idea, but just sayin... Unfortunately I can't make it to the tournament because of the dates, but hope it goes well!

[Ghostinthemachine]

The payout should be figured out and posted before the beginning of play on Sunday so that should not be a factor. With a two day tournament, the TD has all night Saturday to figure out what needs to happen at the awards ceremony except for who's name he's calling out.

Personally, I can't play because I have to work (licensed pyrotechnician) so I have no stake in this debate. If you are worried about long waits after the final full round, then I would think a final nine would create a longer wait for those not playing.

If the reason is the long play time at Mosley, then you could do one round at Redan and one at Mosley each day to balance the load equally. The distance between courses is 17 miles and allows for some time in the AC while driving.

Personally, I think playing two rounds at Mosley on Saturday while everyone is fresh makes more sense and finishing two rounds at Redan on Sunday will be quicker with the awards ceremony in the parking lot. (More than likely you will miss the crowds at the local firework show, but Stone Mountain will have a show that can be seem for miles if you know where to park.

Another suggestion is to move up the tee time on Sunday. It is very possible to tee off at 7am or 8am while it's cooler to finish sooner.

Any way this works out, players need to plan on a ONE hour delay between the completion of ALL groups and the awards ceremony. The TD and staff still have to check all the scores and tally up the totals just like the previous rounds. The only playoff under PDGA guidelines is for players tied for FIRST place in any divisions. That playoff should start as soon as the TD verifies those scores. (Hint to Dan: check the leaders scores first in each division)

Finally, I don't think this debate should be online and on this thread. It only serves to create confusion among the players and those considering playing. I suggest a moderator move this discussion asap.

I hope Dan finds my comments helpful. Dan, please remember it is not possible to make everyone happy. Good luck, guys!

[Big Red]

I accept not playing two rounds on Sunday, but I am not too fond of the extra nine idea. The only award ceremony where I have got tired of waiting was last years Hotlanta. That was an understandable wait because I played Redan Sunday and the JP crowd took longer to play. I assume since we are all going to be playing one venue with what appears to be a less than full tournament I trust that the awards ceremony can be much quicker than last year with minimal need for delay.

I am good with playing Disc golf on a Holiday weekend but I am not good with watching disc golf on a Holiday weekend. I really do not see a reason to kill time especially when the justification for cutting out a round to prevent was long day of golf.

Thanks to everyone that is running this event but with less than two weeks before we play, I would like to be able to nail down some times so I can know what I am doing Sunday evening.

More great points. This thread definitely should be here; censorship is another knee jerk reaction for disc golfers and serves no purpose other than to further and strengthen dictatorships. If the players opinions are not valid and can't be posted then why even have the tournament? All criticism so far has been nothing but constructive and certainly hasn’t gotten out of hand.

[Jay]

Not to worry Big Red........ no reason to move any posts at all

[djester]

I guess I should have never mentioned a final nine

[dandaman]

I apologize guys for not having the formats set in stone months ago, but due to recent turn of events here is the rough outline of times and where we will meet.

This will be a three round event with a Final Six holes for the top four pros to determine the outcome of the event.

We will all be meeting at Redan on July Fourth to play the first and second Rounds. The last round and the final six will be played at JP Moseley Park on Sunday the Fifth.

The schedule is as follows:

July 4th (Redan)
7:45-9:00 am- Player check-in and Registration (All divisions)9:30 am-Players meeting
9:30am (Sharp!)- Players meeting
10:00 am (Extremely Sharp!)- First round play begins
Lunch- TBD, but BBQ available for all players and participants.
TBD-Second Round Plays begins at lunch, (at least 1 hour after last card is turned in)

July 5th (JP Moseley)
10:00 am (Sharp!) - Third Round begins
TBD- Final 6 for top four pro's. Not too long after the conclusion of the third round.
TBD- Awards ceremony (JP Moseley Park) to be done immediately after the conclusion of the final six.

We will update the top post with this information.

[dandaman]

Final Six layout. It makes a loop. Only big skip is hole 14.

Hole 1's teepad to hole six's basket--->mando down sewer line.
Hole 8
Hole 9
Hole 13
Hole 15
Hole 18

[TokioJason]

I think the final 9 is a good idea. I don't wan't to watch pro's play the final 9 and not have an am side to it. Im trying to rearrange so i can make this tourny. I'll have fun 3 or 4 rounds doesn't matter. Even if its only 3 and 1/2

[Brian Lang]

I apologize guys for not having the formats set in stone months ago, but due to recent turn of events here is the rough outline of times and where we will meet.

This will be a three round event with a Final Six holes for the top four pros to determine the outcome of the event.

We will all be meeting at Redan on July Fourth to play the first and second Rounds. The last round and the final six will be played at JP Moseley Park on Sunday the Fifth.

The schedule is as follows:

July 4th (Redan)
7:45-9:00 am- Player check-in and Registration (All divisions)9:30 am-Players meeting
9:30am (Sharp!)- Players meeting
10:00 am (Extremely Sharp!)- First round play begins
Lunch- TBD, but BBQ available for all players and participants.
TBD-Second Round Plays begins at lunch, (at least 1 hour after last card is turned in)

July 5th (JP Moseley)
10:00 am (Sharp!) - Third Round begins
TBD- Final 6 for top four pro's. Not too long after the conclusion of the third round.
TBD- Awards ceremony (JP Moseley Park) to be done immediately after the conclusion of the final six.

We will update the top post with this information.

Thanks for the details. I am looking forward to the event.
Just for clarification, am I correct that the final six is for Pros only and will not be preceded by a Lunch break?

[dandaman]

Brian-

You are correct. There will not be a luch break b/t the third round and the final six.

[solstice_disc_sports]

[Brian Lang]

Are these CFRs or players pack discs?

[solstice_disc_sports]

Players Pack discs.

Here is the Fundraiser and trophies for Open & Advanced.

[Brian Lang]

Is the Hotlanta Layout setup now?

For Clarification, I was asking does anyone know if the current pin positions at Redan are set up now like the post states they will be positioned for Hotlanta?
If they are not, does anyone know if the Hotlanta layout will be in place before Saturday morning?

Last question, when will the JPM Layout be provided?

[djester]

[$Dollar$]

we would have time for 3 rounds on saturday if it were still at LP!

Not to poke the bees nest but why are we not teeing off until 10 on sunday!!?? its almost standard to tee off at 9 on sundays, and this would be the time it would make the most sense. Personally i liked the idea of teeing off at 8. Avoid the heat, we already cant handle 4 rounds DM-screwin with hotlanta since 2008

[djester]

I guess so we can have atleast 90* weather before we start ?

[Big Red]

we would have time for 3 rounds on saturday if it were still at LP!

Not to poke the bees nest but why are we not teeing off until 10 on sunday!!?? its almost standard to tee off at 9 on sundays, and this would be the time it would make the most sense. Personally i liked the idea of teeing off at 8. Avoid the heat, we already cant handle 4 rounds DM-screwin with hotlanta since 2008

Dollar you are missing the spirt here. Making sense?

[solstice_disc_sports]

I apologize guys for not having the formats set in stone months ago, but due to recent turn of events here is the rough outline of times and where we will meet.

Check. Good call Dollar. Here's the revised (GET ME HOME BEFORE THE FIREWORKS & BEFORE I PASS OUT FROM THE SWELTERING HEAT) schedule:

July 4th (Redan)
7:30-8:45 am- Player check-in and Registration (All divisions)9:00 am-Players meeting
9:00am (Sharp!)- Players meeting
9:30am (Extremely Sharp!)- First round play begins
Lunch- TBD, but BBQ available for all players and participants.
TBD-Second Round Plays begins at lunch, (at least 1 hour after last card is turned in)

July 5th (JP Moseley)
9:00 am (Sharp!) - Third Round begins
TBD- Final 6 for top four pro's. Not too long after the conclusion of the third round.
TBD- Awards ceremony (JP Moseley Park) to be done immediately after the conclusion of the final six.

[Brian Lang]

I hesitate to type this due to the respect for the time and efforts of the volunteers of Hotlanta but I hope that the criticism is taken as constructive and not negative.

Too many changes are happening after the original decisions. For people like myself, that like/have to plan out their weekends, minor changes can make a big difference. This is especially true on a holiday weekend with minimal notice. We have moved from 2 rounds on Sunday, to a possibility of 27 holes for all division leaders, to 24 holes for pros only. I do not think that any of the people that signed up early had any expectation of Hotlanta only being three rounds. In fact this thread still has a post listing 4 rounds. It may sound like a minor issue but who knows, some of the players that have already paid may have specifically decided to play because Hotlanta was going to offer two rounds of JPM or perhaps they were able to justify the higher price because of the 4 rounds. Obviously, if Hotlanta had as many players as it has had in the past, we would have 2 fields and all the reasons for only having one round on Sunday would be not achievable because of the two locations. Based on this fact alone, I think it is fair to consider the omission of the 4th round a downgrade that was based on the low number of registered players. This may seem like a minor change but it has made scheduling family time very difficult. This is why I stated that I was willing to make that sacrifice to play disc golf but not to watch disc golf. Being that several people had already committed their Sunday to JPM and perhaps canceled other plans, it hardly seemed fair to make the paying players change their schedule yet again. Thant being said, as long as we now have a definitive idea most people should be content with moving forward and accept being a spectator for the final round.

Dollar had a very good point about starting Sunday at 9:00 but I do not think that changing it from the already stated time of 10:00 was the correct answer. Some people live in the window of being close enough to get out of bed really early to get to the course and practice for a 10:00 round but not close enough to get rest and be ready for a 9:00 round. If the round was always scheduled at 9:00 those people would have had plenty of time to get a hotel room or stay with a friend closer to the course or simply decide not to play. As an example, I made the decision to plan to be home Saturday night and leave my home that is 45 minutes south of Macon early Sunday. I cannot say I would have planned for company Saturday at home if I knew that I would have to leave an extra hour early Sunday morning. Also, the possibilities of getting a hotel at a good price on the 4th of July are more difficult for the people that would want to stay in Atlanta. I would also hope that the current 22 players happen to notice the change and are on time and not rushed, but I am not certain that not everyone stays as up to date with the forums as my self and the people reading this post.

Many will say you cannot make everyone happy and this is very true. There was much debate around the tournament being on the 4th. After the date was decided, each player had to decide if they could fit it into their plans and if they could not, then they did not have to pay. If a player does not decide to play, they would be better suited to refrain from being critical of the date chosen. Unfortunately the modifications made after the fact have effected the players that have already decided the current set up meets their expectations and therefore are willing to dedicate their weekend to disc golf.

Some TDs are often chided for being too firm in there decisions, but I for one appreciate this attitude. Please know that I am not advocating any change to any of the current decisions. In fact, my only request is to please keep it the same.

Again, I say this to point out an issue I see often in the disc golf community. Little changes can have unforeseen results. I really do appreciate all the efforts of everyone involved in the hard work of putting Hotlanta together and I am personally looking forward to participating in the event.

[dandaman]

Brian-

I definetly appreciate your candor and the articulate post that is above this one. I definetly understand where you are coming from and I too find it frustrating that we had to accomodate so many changes from the original rough draft schedule. Here are the reasons why so many things were changed:

Financially it does not make sense to keep the tournament to two fields. Redan costs $100 per day, and by limiting Redan to one day we have thus saved $100. I personally plan to make $.00 off this event, and I will probably end up paying $130.00 out of my own pocket so that we can reserve Redan for the day (That is my decision to do so, and it was something that I donated to last years event as well).

Why in the heck did we limit it to three rounds? We did it b/c we respect that all of you all have lives. Redan was choosen for Saturday b/c it allows for the best venue for BBQ, and it will allow us to get out of there way before dark. The Mose is designed to play more like a golf course than a pitch and putt (you must admit it dollar, LP is very much a birdie fest and it does not require much skill to shoot well there) <---I shot -7 during one Hotlanta out there (have you seen my player rating lately) The Mose will be set up on one of its most demanding layouts. We will not be playing from all the teepads as Josh has stated. Everyone will be playing from the gold layout with the exception of Hole 1 (Which will be playing from the blue). Playing one round at the Mose was decided upon b/c it would take a really, really long time to play two rounds out there (no matter what day/time/teepad/pin placement was being used). It's not that we think that you the players can't handle it, or were trying to slight you on holes, we just understand that ending an awards ceremony after 6 on a holiday weekend might not be the best idea.

I'm personally looking forward to this years's Hotlanta. When is the last time that we played a PDGA tournament on the fourth of July?

Layout for JP Mose as follows:



Hole 1: 529 ft. Par 3
Hole 2: 189 ft. Par 3
Hole 3: 298 ft. Par 3
Hole 4: 276 ft. Par 3
Hole 5: 249 ft. Par 3
Hole 6: 251 ft. Par 3
Hole 7: 475 ft. Par 3
Hole 8: 740 ft. Par 4
Hole 9: 950 ft. Par 5
Hole 10: 443 ft. Par 3
Hole 11: 308 ft. Par 3
Hole 12: 501 ft: Par 3
Hole 13: 840 ft. Par 4
Hole 14: 308 ft. Par 3
Hole 15: 576 ft: Par 4
Hole 16: 259 ft. Par 3
Hole 17: 348 ft. Par 3
Hole 18: 730 ft. Par 4

8270 ft. Par 60

[djester]

I'll just sit over here and shut my mouth

[Brian Lang]

Thank you for the information update.
I do not think any course has a group of workers that put as much time and effort in their home course than the regulars at JPM.
I know Hotlanta will be great.

[Brett Rousseau]

Will there be Saturday morning sign-ups? And by final six for four top pros I assume you mean open pros?
Thanks for all your hard work Dan and Company.

[keith johnson]

You don't think I can make top 4?

Second on Saturday baby!

[kade.erp]

I just played Redan's set-up. Overwhelmingly short righty hyzer positions on every possible hole. Boring. I have never played some of these positions but I have to say it was the worst layout Ive ever played there. Sorry to say but the layout is weak sauce! Seems to me that a below 880 rec player came up w/ the design wtf.Whatta challenge. Im "just sayin" I wont make it.

[solstice_disc_sports]

Will there be Saturday morning sign-ups? And by final six for four top pros I assume you mean open pros?
Thanks for all your hard work Dan and Company.

Yes. & Yes.

[JPZ]

My wife Leslie asked me to post something
She was looking into playing in HOTLANTA this year. But, probably won't play now .....stress the now ,because now we are only using the gold Tees.

so far we have 0 women signed-up for this event .....want to take a guess why?

-Date-probably most
-Price for 3 rounds- Possibility
- No womens layout - Why would we not offer our multiple Tee layout for women at Moseley?

I guess she has 5 days to decide then, huh?

[Redan Randy]

I just played Redan's set-up. Overwhelmingly short righty hyzer positions on every possible hole. Boring. I have never played some of these positions but I have to say it was the worst layout Ive ever played there. Sorry to say but the layout is weak sauce! Seems to me that a below 880 rec player came up w/ the design wtf.Whatta challenge. Im "just sayin" I wont make it.

Chill out kid! Quit dipping your chicken fingers in the weak sauce if you don't like it. I was out there this weekend and it wasn't even set up for Hotlanta yet. Hole three long anhyzer, hole 5 anhyzer, hole 6 long and straight, hole 8 extra long and slight anhyzer, hole 9 long and straight, hole 10 new anhyzer, hole 12 short and straight, hole 13 anhyzer, hole 15 short right, hole 17 short right, and hole 18 old long to the right. That doesn't leave a lot of hyzers left on the course. Keep your weak sauce at ERP, thanks.

[JPZ]

With all the controversial topics surrounding the tournament...
...Maybe next year we can fix these issues and set-up a course that all will want to play on a date that all could attend.

Maybe

Represent the majority or expect a mutiny

[TomahawkChopper]

Is hole 3 at moseley taken for sponsorship?If not put my sign there.Tokash Income Tax Service T.I.T.S LLC........

Were not letting the ladies play?I was kinda hopin to see Jpzs wife out there .....with Jpz of course.


So we got 26 and only 2 intermediate?

[djester]

kade = weak sauce

[dandaman]

so far we have 0 women signed-up for this event .....want to take a guess why?

-Date-probably most
-Price for 3 rounds- Possibility
- No womens layout - Why would we not offer our multiple Tee layout for women at Moseley?

I guess she has 5 days to decide then, huh?

JPZ you forgot the most important reason why!
NOT TOO MANY WOMEN PLAY!!!!*

*Something that we all wish would change!

[dandaman]

With all the controversial topics surrounding the tournament...
...Maybe next year we can fix these issues and set-up a course that all will want to play on a date that all could attend.

Maybe

Represent the majority or expect a mutiny

JPZ YOU are next years TD!

For that great resposibility you get to decide on all the dates, courses, layouts, and all other items of the itenerary!

You can set it up the way you want!

But you also get rewarded with spending time away from your family, dedicating lots of time to management, and as a bonus you get to respond to people's lame (weak) remarks!

[jonp]

Represent the majority or expect a mutiny

Because mob rule works really well, especially for organizing tournaments

keep up the good work, dan and chris
much appreciated by the majority

[solstice_disc_sports]

Thanks Jon! And THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE SPONSORS SO FAR.....

TOKASH INCOME TAX SERVICE - Premium Sponsor
PAUL SIEJA - Premium Sponsor
DUSTY JONES - Disc & Disc Art Sponsor
DISCRAFT - Schwag
SCOTT WALKER - Disc Sponsor
SOLSTICE DISC SPORTS - Title Sponsor
STEVE ADAMS - Disc Sponsor
WADE SELPH - Disc Sponsor
CHRIS FOLEY - Disc Sponsor
MICHAEL BURTON - Disc Sponsor
ATLANTA DISC GOLF ORGANIZATION - Hole Sponsor

Player's List is GROWING....should have a signifigant amount of Saturday sign-ups from what I've heard from phone calls and emails.

ChrisP.

[Big Red]

I wanted to let you guys know that Patrick Kellner who is signed up in rec probably won't make it for the tournament as he tore his bicep last saturday. Since this was to be his first tournament I didn't know if he had let you guys know yet.

[Al 7.0 Olds]

I played redan yesterday.It is old school! It will be a fun tourney! So Kade wo'nt make it,cause he knows he will get his azz owned. Let's get it on!

[TomahawkChopper]

Ive seen quite a few females in the few tournaments that Ive played in .Up at meeks I believe there were six women in that tournament and a couple of them can throw pretty d@mn good for chic's .This dude Joel told me he played in a female group and lost to them in the GSSS well they played better than him .Just sayin there are chics out there,theyre just probably wanting to stay as far away from Moseley as possible

[JPZ]

I still propose a mutiny

If you haven't played JPM in a while get your butts out here and check it out....many - many changes

[Brett Rousseau]

Kudos to Dan and the whole JPM Crew. Played it yesterday for the first time since Hotlanta 2008. Loved the changes. I think 1 is a par 4 and 13 is a par 5, but that's me, Mr. Vegas. Oh, and one round Sunday is perfect for an old man like me. Great job guys!

[$Dollar$]

Kudos to Dan and the whole JPM Crew. Played it yesterday for the first time since Hotlanta 2008. Loved the changes. I think 1 is a par 4 and 13 is a par 5, but that's me, Mr. Vegas. Oh, and one round Sunday is perfect for an old man like me. Great job guys!

hole 13 is def not a par 4. that tee is at a really bad distance. its an impossible 3, but easy to get a 4, even throwing mid ranges. i would suggest going a little further up o the short tee or back to the long tee. either way would help the scoring differential.


The course looks AWESOME! Thank you guys for all the hard work.

[K-Mack]

Holy Sh!tcakes I think my PC is going to short out from all the tears and crying on this thread.

Opinions are like as sholes everyone has them and there are a bunch of As sholes on this thread. It's hard enough to get good td's to run events, please quit busting their balls unless your willing to put in the time and headache in running one of these events.

I do have a ?'s about the layout of JPM, is 13 playing from the short tee? not normally the path?
and where is the tee on 15? I haven't seen the changes but I'm sure Wade has been out there busting his ass out there working on it, That dude really puts all of us to shame on how much work he puts on our courses. Give him a atta boy when you see him. Dude ROCKS!

I like 3 rounds, it gives me less time to get monkey butt aka chapped ass, or red ass, baboon butt

By the way Sunday is my 23rd birthday, I'm a notoriously bad golfer on my birthday but I do seem to ace a lot so look out #2 at Mosely, thumber skip ace...just called my shot!

C-ya tomorrow!

[djester]

Holy Sh!tcakes I think my PC is going to short out from all the tears and crying on this thread.

Opinions are like as sholes everyone has them and there are a bunch of As sholes on this thread. It's hard enough to get good td's to run events, please quit busting their balls unless your willing to put in the time and headache in running one of these events.

I do have a ?'s about the layout of JPM, is 13 playing from the short tee? not normally the path? The tee off area is from the gold tee (the first "path tee", not the super long tee on top of the hill)
and where is the tee on 15? Same tee, different pin location.... pin is in a super hyzer position that bends to the left and goes back into the field that is behind 16's tee pad. Almost like throwing a hyzer bomb over 16's tee area, but at a tighter angle to the left and 500 + ft. A good idea is too hyzer just to the left of the old basket position and then lay up for easy 3-birdie (and hope that a tree doesn't pimp your first shot). I haven't seen the changes but I'm sure Wade has been out there busting his ass out there working on it, That dude really puts all of us to shame on how much work he puts on our courses. Give him a atta boy when you see him. Dude ROCKS!

I like 3 rounds, it gives me less time to get monkey butt aka chapped ass, or red ass, baboon butt

By the way Sunday is my 23rd birthday, I'm a notoriously bad golfer on my birthday but I do seem to ace a lot so look out #2 at Mosely, thumber skip ace...just called my shot!

C-ya tomorrow!

Hole 14 now has a lefty-hyzer shot down the tree line where we cut out ateast 60 tree's to make the hole have different shot choices. Sidearm righties will also like this route too as well as righty anhyzers. Route will be a bit rough, but is valid......watch out for the tree's at the end of the route as we left a few to keep it honest (when we improve on a hole we try to think what it will look like in 4-5 years after the tree's grown in)

I hope everyone likes the course..... there is uncounted hours of work that has been put in this year, heck, even in the last 2 months!! We aren't finished with the improvements/additions yet, but we are done for Hotlanta.

[Brian Lang]

Opinions are like as sholes everyone has them and there are a bunch of As sholes on this thread.

Kevin,Good luck on your birthday.

But isn't your statement also an opinion?!

[solstice_disc_sports]

23rd? I think your math is off!

Happy B-Day Kevin!

[Redan Randy]

I am sad to say i have to miss my first Hotlanta! I was hoping my back might feel better in time, and it definately isn't. Good luck with the event, i'm hoping to pop by and say hey on my way to the 311 concert Saturday night. Anyone else going to 311?

[dandaman]

Courses are looking good. Food is ready for the BBQ. I need some sleep. See you all early in the morning.

[solstice_disc_sports]

Carrie, myself and our friend Danny will be heading to the Lakewood Amphitheatre DIRECTLY from Redan!

..Summer..endless Summer!

[Redan Randy]

Carrie, myself and our friend Danny will be heading to the Lakewood Amphitheatre DIRECTLY from Redan!

..Summer..endless Summer!

Excellent! Hope to see you there! Did you see the Bham show?

[TomahawkChopper]

Just got home had a blast met some new folks as usual.Barry,James,Carlos,Mike,and(BOB) happy 4th of july see yous guys tomorrow.Hopefully that 311 concert that almost everybody is going to helps me move up tomorrow at the Mose.Good Luck fellas .

[solstice_disc_sports]

Thanks again to all who played, worked, supported and all who made this weekend a BLAST! (pun intended) Great concert Saturday from 311! We raised $109 for the Cliff Rickel fund with some generous additional donations from Michael Burton and we also raised $67 for the Hughes family!

Special thanks Daniel May for stepping up with me to run this event....your efforts are appreciated!
Danny Newton & my wife Carrie.
Keith Johnson and Brett Porter for turning the board around after each round.
Wade Selph, Josh Henley, Dan and the J.P. Moseley crew for all of the work at the course.
Bill Thornton for being "Johnny on the Spot" with food, internet access, water jugs and tents for the TD's!
....these guys also helped us pack our van when it was all over!

Full results are here:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8855

Congrats to Kevin McCoy for a win on his birthday and congrats to all the other winners and placers.
It was a FUN 4th of July!!!

[Brian Lang]

I had a good time. Thanks to all.

I find it interesting that the SSA was not too different for the new JP gold layout and the January's Ice Bowl Rec layout. I know the Hotlanta layout was longer so it must be due to the Ice Bowl's OB?

[Clunck]

We raised $109 for the Chad Rickel fund with some generous additional donations from Michael Burton and we also raised $67 for the Hughes family!

That would be for Cliff Rickel, and thank you!!

[jritger]

Detailed Scoring Stats for JPM round >> http://sites.google.com/site/jritger/Home/HotlantaJPMoseley7.5.09Scores.xls

no birdies on : 1, 7, 10, 12, 13

#4 only 13% birdies = definitely not too easy

thanks chris & crew for putting on a great event!

[Brian Lang]

Also congratulations to the recreational visitors from Baggingham, AL. 14 strokes between the top Alabaman and the top local!

[Cha Ching]

Also congratulations to the recreational visitors from Baggingham, AL. 14 strokes between the top Alabaman and the top local!

[Vicki]

What a great weekend! Saw a lot of old friends, made some new ones, and watched some amazing shots being made. Here are pictures of the tournament:
http://jacobfamilypictures.shutterfly.com/623

[JPZ]

Thanks to all who helped!
FUN FUN FUN

[JPZ]

Thanks solstice discs, for getting the scores posted; fast.
and
Thank you Vicki for the pics........It 's hard to deny w/ proof staring you down
and
John Ritger as always man I love that program thanks for the stats.