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Monticello Doubles Tournament III/Lake Jam August 30

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:45 pm
by luke
Bring Your partner Doubles Tournament
New layout (at least 3 new holes, pins or pads moved on at least 6 holes, "tunnel" walkway holes no longer exist)
August 30 10-ish
2 rounds
cash ctps every hole
$1/ctp plus entry (probably 20)
Trophies for top in each division
Divisions will be opened according to attendance
(the last two tournaments have had advanced and open)

Food at Luke's by Rob Kelly and Luke
Sleeping accomodations at Luke's and Mr. Anderson's
Contact Luke to reserve a spot

COME CHECK OUT THE NEW HOLES and the good vibe

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:19 am
by Jay
Recommend a Pro/Am division :o

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:40 am
by DD
Recommend child safety gates at all open stairwells.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:51 am
by red
recommend no more recommendations!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:08 pm
by VERMIN
Is this at Redan?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:41 pm
by luke
I don't know what a PRO AM division is. Why not just do it like PDGA-and add an intermediate?
Convince me!

Rec Division

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:00 pm
by Laserman
Team VermiNutnator hereby sign up for the Rec division - the only division safe from Pros like Jordy and Clunck. Check your bag tag Clunck - it says Pro on it for a reason.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:10 pm
by Jay
luke wrote:I don't know what a PRO AM division is. Why not just do it like PDGA-and add an intermediate?
Convince me!


Luke......????

3 Divisions:
Pro - 2 Pro Players
Am - 2 Am Players
Pro/Am - 1 Pro & 1 Am Player.

If not, just do a doubles tourney where ALL the money goes to the course and give out hunks of wood to the 1st-3rd finshers. I'd rather my $$ go to a course then a pro playing in an am division. .02

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:18 pm
by Redan Randy
Calm down, Ladies! Don't put your panty shields on with the adhesive side up!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:26 pm
by Jay
Redan Randy wrote:Calm down, Ladies! Don't put your panty shields on with the adhesive side up!


I have no idea why you have "ies" in after "Lad". 8)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:38 pm
by djester
how about two divisions?
no pro/am crap.....unless enough pair up to actually mess with a 3rd division ie: 3 or more teams.
divide money between divisions only, no helping the small fields payout.
:idea:

Re: Rec Division

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:39 pm
by VERMIN
Laserman wrote:Team VermiNutinator hereby sign up for the Rec division - the only division safe from Pros like Jordy and Clunck. Check your bag tag Clunck - it says Pro on it for a reason.


CHECK - Rec Div would be fitting for us as we are very Recreational...If not a REC Division, can we just play for the CTP's and skip the Entry Fee :?:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:41 pm
by Jay
djester wrote:how about two divisions?
no pro/am crap.....unless enough pair up to actually mess with a 3rd division ie: 3 or more teams.
divide money between divisions only, no helping the small fields payout.
:idea:


Two divisions were tried last time but we had 3 divisions paying out two division :)

Why is it crap? Can you provide a little substance?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:06 pm
by Wookie
I sure do wish I could just turn Pro and give away all my money at every event I go to. Oh wait, I already do that and I am an AM so I guess I should just keep playing. :lol:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:20 pm
by mr.disc
Is this event on a sunday?

GFG

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:32 pm
by Carl Wms
They specifically planned it on a Saturday.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:55 pm
by djester
Jay wrote:
djester wrote:how about two divisions?
no pro/am crap.....unless enough pair up to actually mess with a 3rd division ie: 3 or more teams.
divide money between divisions only, no helping the small fields payout.
:idea:


Two divisions were tried last time but we had 3 divisions paying out two division :)

Why is it crap? Can you provide a little substance?

it's crap if there is only one team for pro/am.... then it's crappier :shock: (like that word?) if the pro/am money is split from other divisions.

but...didn't you just say that? So i just answered your question with your answer :lol:

make 3 divisions
if one division doesn't have enough players to provide a payout more than the money bought in, then don't included that division..... is it that hard to understand?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:15 pm
by Clunck
Clunck and Randy --- Team Absinthe --- AM Division

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:14 am
by luke
PDGA ratings

Open >970
Advanced <970
Ad. Master >935
Interm. <935
Rec <900
Novice <850

There, I said it. Chad Rickel has a 931 rating. Hello? That's not even ADVANCED!

On another note, we run a small tournament, and in small tournaments, people often (should) play up. Lots of you will say I'm an Open Player, though I've never cashed in any open tournament. Also, my rating is probably somewhere close to Chad's (if I were current). Having said that, I play open in our tournament because I'm very comfortable as a doubles partner--much better, in fact, than I am by myself.

SO...

Always subject to change, but for August 30, I'd like to kind of follow the PDGA and have at least these 3 divisions; Open, Advanced, Intermediate.


If an am wants to play with a PRO, then they are to enter the OPEN division in our tournament. NO proam div. Sorry Jay, I just don't like it. I'm an am that plays with a pro. No, we've not won anything in two tournaments, but finished one spot out of the money both times.


NOW PLEASE, START ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT DIVISIONS IN THE PDGA BUT DON'T KEEP FEMALE DOGGIN' ABOUT IT HERE. :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:38 am
by Clunck
Please move Team Absinthe to the Intermediate division, were we belong.


Just Kidding!!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:39 am
by Clunck
luke wrote:There, I said it. Chad Rickel has a 931 rating. Hello? That's not even ADVANCED!


Thanks Luke, I really miss you too.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:46 am
by Jay
djester wrote:
Jay wrote:
djester wrote:how about two divisions?
no pro/am crap.....unless enough pair up to actually mess with a 3rd division ie: 3 or more teams.
divide money between divisions only, no helping the small fields payout.
:idea:


Two divisions were tried last time but we had 3 divisions paying out two division :)

Why is it crap? Can you provide a little substance?


it's crap if there is only one team for pro/am.... make 3 divisions
if one division doesn't have enough players to provide a payout more than the money bought in, then don't included that division.....


agree, that is a no brainer.....

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:55 am
by Jay
luke wrote:If an am wants to play with a PRO, then they are to enter the OPEN division in our tournament. NO proam div. Sorry Jay, I just don't like it.


Well I don't like driving 115 miles one way, but I do it all for the Monty, Luke, and of course our local charity case Mr. Anderson :D Sorry you don't like a Pro/Am Div, many of us discussed it and thought it would be cool.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:09 am
by luke
Jayvosssaid,
"Two divisions were tried last time but we had 3 divisions paying out two division "


I want three divisions. Open, advanced, intermediate. This really ought to cover it instead of us making up a new division, right?
If it so happened that we had enough for yet another division, then that too.

As far as "Pro Am" goes, it's a small tourney, like I said above. It's doubtful that Phil or Brad will be coming down as partners, so I still say if you are, like me, amateur status, and you want to partner with an open player, then do so and get in the open division.

I'm definitely not Mr. PDGA, but I'd like to at least stick to their guidelines!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:57 am
by Jay
luke wrote:PDGA ratings

Open >970
Advanced <970
Ad. Master >935Interm. <935
Rec <900
Novice <850


FYI - Adv Master Rating = Any (as per PDGA) it's just age protected.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:01 pm
by Redan Randy
Maybe someday do a tourney, pick your partner with mandatory one Pro and one Am per team. That would be fun. I get McCoy!! :)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:36 pm
by djester
why not drop intermediate and have pro/am?

who's playing intermediate anyway?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:52 pm
by Clunck
Redan Randy wrote:Maybe someday do a tourney, pick your partner with mandatory one Pro and one Am per team. That would be fun. I get McCoy!! :)

Dropping your boy "Rooster" Childs, I see. :shock:

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:07 pm
by richardhead
Slam!!! Maybe Rooster Childs dropped him and he's looking for another man crush.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:15 pm
by Redan Randy
I would do McCoy, Rooster, and Donglar at the same time, and you would ALL be jealous! That would be a 1000 rated 4some! :oops:

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:52 pm
by luke
I'm confused and it has nothing to do with these here banana peels.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:12 pm
by luke
alright, so I'm having a discussion with Jay about a division alignment. THe reason the Pro am thing came up is because some guys who are perceived to be pro talents played am this last time. So have a division, PRO AM, to solve the problem. But what if someone like me, whom some want to christen "open player", teamed up with say, Wookie to play advanced?

It doesn't seem to me that a pro am division will really make folks happy, and to be honest, I don't know who'd enter it. I play open on my course, at least for doubles. I wouldn't be interested in it. Anyone else? Djester, you thought it was a neat idea, but would you play pro am?

I'm open for solutions. Saying "three divisions, open, am , intermediate" seemed to be the best way to handle it, but I'm flexible, if you don't come up with dumb stuff. Quite honestly, I failed to see the real problem--mainly because I looked at PDGA ratings.

No, really, throw your ideas at me.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:44 pm
by Clunck
Rating based, problem solved, if either player is above the recommended PDGA rating for any division then both players have to play to the higher level.

Ratings

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:41 am
by Laserman
Luke has no rating and neither does anybody else who isn't PDGA current. There were two bagger teams playing am last month at the Monty:

Jordy playing down with Robbie. If 11 straight birdies isn't pro then perhaps 19 down for 2 rounds will convince you.

And then there was the Grease/Chappy team - Grease has played PRO in 6 PDGA events this year and cashed in 4 to the tune of $485.

Two divisions should be enough, but if a pro wants to partner up with an am, they should play pro.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:29 am
by luke
my rating, when I join again, will most likely fall about 935 ish.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:59 am
by Clunck
luke wrote:my rating, when I join again, will most likely fall about 935 ish.
More like 930 Luke.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:19 pm
by luke
878. I had two sixes Wednesday at Redan. I also got a four on 3 short.

Pick me Pick me

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:23 pm
by Carl Wms
Christ, I'm just happy to get a partner.

"This is a disc golf nation of whiners" Phil Gramm, ex-Senator, Freelance Prick

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:14 pm
by Imran
Don't try and hide behind your imaginary PDGA rating, McParland. :lol:

By the way, I'd like to go ahead and reserve my corner of the room at casa de McParland. :shock: ...just don't say anything to Jaimee. I'm going to try and pull one of those "I thought I told you I was going to Luke's for the weekend?". :roll: 8)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:55 pm
by Wookie
Count me in for some floor space.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:29 am
by luke
IT AIN'T BIG ENOUGH TO HIDE BEHIND, YONDER KHAN.

I MEAN MY PDGA RATING, THAT IS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERY, VERY LARGE,

INCLUDING THESE LETTERS.

Re: Ratings

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:54 pm
by grease
Laserman wrote:And then there was the Grease/Chappy team - Grease has played PRO in 6 PDGA events this year and cashed in 4 to the tune of $485.


Thanks for noticing, but that was Gator and Chappy. My partner was DD, we played pro, and were DFL. Pretty far from bagging, I would say. I do agree that pro/am teams should play pro.

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:13 pm
by mr.disc
check!

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:06 pm
by grease
Chappy and I did team up for the February tourney. We played pro and lost to Josh and Nate by 30 some strokes.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:57 pm
by chappy
Thanks for setting the record straight greg.Ive never had a rating above 916. how could my name possibly be thrown into this conversation?It would be nice to play in the "john chapman always wins division" but this is a dream.....I suspect similar dreams are shared by others. :twisted:

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:12 pm
by luke
916? Really?

That was in 82, so with inflation I put you at about a 961.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:39 pm
by Clunck
luke wrote:916? Really?

That was in 82, so with inflation I put you at about a 961.

961 for a whole handed person. Adjusted for Chappy --- 930

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:12 pm
by Wookie
He didn't even loose a whole finger. Just the nub... More like it should be a 950

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:48 pm
by Mr. Anderson
I may be a LOT late, but what u talkin bout, "local charity case." Never asked for, love ta have ya'll down for some fun.

On that note, I would like to ask for consensus on the
"division" point. I agree with our own local Mr. Luke, that we have been having a small, warm-fuzzy tournament. I am also willing to listen to tournament regulars, wherein if ya get three for a division, we'll make one (not committing yet).

So what it's to be? I would encourage people to play ABOVE their division. I was trying to get a profound idea going at Fire Ant where all the pro's would bring a self-called AM along for the ride, so-to-speak. Come for the friendly players. Come for the general competition. Come to see what this course WILL become.

Space still available at the non-lake house, close to all the action in downtown Monticello (not that much happens here).

PDGA based ratings

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:09 am
by djester
guess Nate and I will be playing Am this time since I'm rated 935 and he's rated 950-960ish :lol: Both of us have never had a pro-level rating (if that tells you anything)

Don't go by PDGA standards...

Jordy and team shot a great round(s), that doesn't mean next time they play pro division from now on.

I like the pro-am deal as well (some people won't be able to pair up with same division partners, so there has to be a solution to make everyone happy)

If enough folks want to pair up pro/am, then make a division and get rid of the intermediate....... who'll play that anyway?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:18 am
by VERMIN
get rid of the intermediate....... who'll play that anyway?


Clunck would

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:28 pm
by djester
get rid of clunck ?
:idea: :idea: :idea:

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:48 pm
by crguanaco7
:idea: what about only one division " pro/am"

PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:29 am
by luke
Yuk. Too tough for everyone to find a partner, I think.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:57 pm
by Carl Wms
I'll be there, but may not spend the night.
I haven't been picked by a Pro yet for a partner :)